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BumRushDaShow

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37. I have always said (and posted)

Mon May 22, 2017, 05:34 PM

May 2017

that this government operates on an "honor system". It expects that if you lose an election, you will step down (even allowing for a potential remedy in the courts if challenging the results).... And if you persist long enough, you can often make a change for the better via the means for electing representatives who can enact laws that are beneficial or can convince the courts to strike down laws that are detrimental.

I.e., there were all sorts of "remedies" built in to keep the desire for a coup, down to a minimum.

But at the moment, we seem to be in the midst of a perfect storm that has allowed for the circumvention of some of the traditional remedies, and the hope is that there are enough people in the right places and in the proper roles to get us back on track.

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Laurence Tribe, Harvard Con law prof: Yes, a sitting President CAN be indicted. [View all] pnwmom May 2017 OP

But would the Pubs be reckless and shameless enough rogerashton May 2017 #1

If I'm not mistaken BumRushDaShow May 2017 #2

More, the courts H2O Man May 2017 #5

And we of course saw that with Clinton. nt BumRushDaShow May 2017 #6

The weight of scholarship distinguishes the President from the VP with respect to immunity onenote May 2017 #10

I actually read through that entire thing BumRushDaShow May 2017 #14

the only thing the founders would have found surprising about benedict donald unblock May 2017 #28

I have always said (and posted) BumRushDaShow May 2017 #37

Obstruction of Justice ..... Trump fired Comey to stop an investigation between him and Russia Botany May 2017 #3

Do they need to wait a year or two before any indictments? Ligyron May 2017 #4

Can he be convicted in the Senate & THEN the indictment move to prosecution in the courts? Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #7

Yes...can be prosecuted after removal from office. tableturner May 2017 #31

While I agree with Prof. Tribe... jberryhill May 2017 #8

Anyone can make a mistake, as you yourself just proved pnwmom May 2017 #11

Tribe's view is one view. It does not make other views "wrong". onenote May 2017 #9

That's a memo that admits treestar May 2017 #13

It's a conclusion for which neither side can cite binding precedent, which is why one cannot say onenote May 2017 #16

This could be the time treestar May 2017 #17

Under what provision of the Consitution would the VP 'take the job for awhile"? onenote May 2017 #19

The president treestar May 2017 #20

and when the president disagrees onenote May 2017 #21

We need to figure out something treestar May 2017 #22

Sure, but figuring out something will requiring amending the Constitution. onenote May 2017 #23

I'm for trying. treestar May 2017 #38

Where do they get the idea he can't be indicted? treestar May 2017 #12

Do you think the president can be criminally prosecuted while in office? onenote May 2017 #15

I would argue yes if there is evidence to indict. He treestar May 2017 #18

Tribe isn't saying he can. He's saying he can be indicted by a Grand jury pnwmom May 2017 #25

Which would suggest that the "no one is above the law" argument doesn't apply onenote May 2017 #26

The President is already in a special position with regard to the law pnwmom May 2017 #30

Actually, a president can be sued in federal court on a civil claim onenote May 2017 #32

He can't be tried in a criminal court until after he's removed from office. pnwmom May 2017 #33

I said "Civil". onenote May 2017 #34

WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT SO LONG TO FIND OUT? bresue May 2017 #24

Maybe because there really isn't an indictment? onenote May 2017 #27

I AGREE... bresue May 2017 #29

Oh, for Heaven's sake! An impeachment IS an indictment! Aristus May 2017 #35

AND, it sounds like that has already happened. L. Coyote May 2017 #36