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In reply to the discussion: Time to face facts: Assange played the left like a fiddle on TPP [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)66. I agree with him...we are in danger of losing our democracy. Russia has less
do with it than our own corporations.
Just answer my question. Can Trump do anything without the GOP's consent, given that it has the power to veto, create law with the help of democrats by a 2/3's margin, and ultimately impeach?
The answer is actually no, unless you can convince me that Trump is actually charismatic and powerful enough to have convinced the leaders within the armed forces to help him with an actual coup.
Second question. Does Russia control the GOP or does American and Trans-national big business control the GOP? Can the GOP do anything that is not in the interests of its corporate owners? I'll answer that one too. For the most part no. The problem is that those corporate owners are not themselves patriotic. They could give a shit if they turn our nation into a cess pool. If that happen's they'll pick up and go somewhere nicer. They are entirely divested, and that means, they could care less if Trump is kissing Putin's ass, so long as they are still robbing from the American people.
As soon as he gets in the way of that mission, this honeymoon is over, and you'll see just how much of a coup this is by Putin. If you want to use the looser case for coup...yes this was quite a coup for Putin. Russia IS benefitting. Trump is a fucking idiot who is almost certainly committing treason, whether its provable or not.
But yes, we are constantly in danger of losing our Democracy assuming that's what we still have, and under Trump the risks are particularly high. When you take into account the legitimate and illegitimate distrust in our fourth estate that makes people unwilling to believe anything they hear if it doesn't sit with their world view, the terrifying attacks on net-neutrality, massive voter suppression and hackable elections, the electoral college, and always the big money with its hands on every piece of it--from the media spin to the king-making of our politicians, shit is dire. Its not less dire when Trump is making deals with foreign powers that have a vested interest in totalitarianism, but this is not a coup by Trump and Putin. This is an ongoing coup by people who have generally found real news and real democracy to be an inconvenience.
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Assange is a Russian troll who has lost all credibiliity and will eventually spend the rest of his
Demsrule86
May 2017
#46
For the US and Russia, there's no perhaps... proven empirically he's scum ... fuck Putin
uponit7771
May 2017
#60
Assange has been editing WikiShit to manipulate people for years- anyone ethical left Wiki years ago
bettyellen
May 2017
#16
Discerning readers check multiple sources instead of relying on folks who have an obvs agenda.
bettyellen
May 2017
#21
A symptom that happens to lazy thinkers who prefer anger and confusion to reality. Education helps..
bettyellen
May 2017
#24
People are wising up to shitty partisan sources... most won't admit it but they won't get away with
bettyellen
May 2017
#32
Assange used Wikileaks good reputation and ruined it. Most thinking individuals saw it while it was
bettyellen
May 2017
#38
What they support was not in the bill...it was taken out...so slave countries could participate...
Demsrule86
May 2017
#79
I'm saddened by what my google search turned up- no easy answers- what are the answers?
bettyellen
May 2017
#84
So the TPP took steps to improve workers rights but it wasn't enough and now there is nothing....
bettyellen
May 2017
#57
there were plans to improve existing human rights issues with stronger steps than last time
bettyellen
May 2017
#76
We already are competing with abused workers worldwide. We use prison labor ourselves!
bettyellen
May 2017
#82
Pulling out of TPP gives China the ability to set the tone and becomes huge dominating force
tammywammy
May 2017
#4
Yeap, Assange was a 30% truth fact 70% bold face ass'd lie type person ... the 30% truth is to ...
uponit7771
May 2017
#6
I think it is quite likely that key leaders in Congress are as tangled up with Russia
pnwmom
May 2017
#69
Pisses the hell out of me. I tried to tell everybody, but nooo, Obama was throwing the workers under
Hekate
May 2017
#22
I have watched high paying jobs move overseas for years...and those who didn't understand that the
Demsrule86
May 2017
#50
Yes, big time. The "secret negotiated" IP chapter was first leaked in May 2012 by Darrel Issa
ucrdem
May 2017
#39
and now Trump and the rest of his shitty fucked up family are making business deals with China
JI7
May 2017
#44
And selling Golden Visas for half a million dollars, monetizing the hell out of the presidency...
Hekate
May 2017
#52