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BumRushDaShow

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5. Here's the deal

Thu May 25, 2017, 08:07 AM

May 2017

He was governor when the ACA was going through the sausage-making and final passage. Both WV Senators Jay Rockefeller and Robert Byrd (who was his predecessor) voted for it. Byrd died later that year in 2010 and Manchin eventually ran for that seat, coming in office during the 2010 anti-ACA "wave"... the "anti-" being due to a massive campaign of disinformation coupled with the creation of the astroturf Koch-funded teabaggers.

If anything, his is one of the states that needs it the most. Bershear in his neighbor state (KY) managed to redirect the narrative on it to get KYnect in place (as long as it wasn't called "Obamacare&quot , but even that state was unable to overcome the continued onslaught of bullshit, and they elected an extremist as governor, who is systematically dismantling KYnect.

However slowly but surely, the tide is turning, but it will take some time and getting the right people elected in this next election.

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Manchin just said the divide started when Dems passed ACA w/ "ONLY" 60 votes [View all] GusFring May 2017 OP

I like him. Goodheart May 2017 #1

what do you like about him? still_one May 2017 #52

I like him just like I like any DINO. We need some of them to have pnwmom May 2017 #62

pnwmom, this was in context of the OP implying suggesting that according to Manchin the ACA was still_one May 2017 #77

Completely agree. c-rational May 2017 #79

Thanks. he is a perfect example of what profiles in courage is NOT about still_one May 2017 #85

Do you also like festering sucking chest wounds? Moostache May 2017 #53

My sentiments exactly c-rational May 2017 #80

I don't. He can count on a Primary challenge JDC May 2017 #96

I guess it would have been better to do nothing? yardwork May 2017 #2

I saw the interview. He didn't blame Democrats for anything. Goodheart May 2017 #3

What were you watching? He specifically said "WE" made a mistake. Learn from our mistake. He said GusFring May 2017 #18

I saw interview too bresue May 2017 #4

Here's the deal BumRushDaShow May 2017 #5

Well, in this interview he said he's urging McConnell to drop talk of repeal Goodheart May 2017 #6

Right BumRushDaShow May 2017 #7

What interview...I heard him say ACA needs fixing which it does...but not repeal. Demsrule86 May 2017 #10

Well, that's nice . . . hatrack May 2017 #47

A big who cares...he is a warm body in our quest to retake the Senate and a no Demsrule86 May 2017 #8

Thank you. Unfortunately the "vanity purists" among us aren't so thoughtful or practical. NurseJackie May 2017 #11

Sadly, I think you are right...we should not take advice from this segment of Demsrule86 May 2017 #21

I thought in another thread you were pretty unforgiving of his Gorsuch support. Did I misremember JCanete May 2017 #66

There are many thing for which to fairly criticize him. NurseJackie May 2017 #68

I'd feel better about promoting a better candidate. We are artificially setting limits on what is JCanete May 2017 #70

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #71

Hey if you have actual thoughts here, feel free to share them. I won't bite your head off. No need JCanete May 2017 #72

LOL! I did share them already! NurseJackie May 2017 #73

you didn't respond to what I said. You wanted the last word with a LOL. That's passive aggressive JCanete May 2017 #74

I did respond. I think you're just frustrated because it's just not the response you wanted. NurseJackie May 2017 #75

bullshit. It is entirely legitimate to decide a discussion is getting nowhere. JCanete May 2017 #76

You're overreacting. I'm simply amused. (And, FYI: Someone finding clever ways to skirt the rules... NurseJackie May 2017 #78

that wasn't the intention, and I don't know the rules very well, because i did say "cowardly" first JCanete May 2017 #83

Ah... yet another cleverly veiled insult by telling me I should be on FOX News. Hardy-har... NurseJackie May 2017 #90

what was veiled about that? I"m saying it is an actual tactic, used frequently by corporate pundits JCanete May 2017 #91

I'm sure I don't need to spell it out for you. NurseJackie May 2017 #93

I didn't say those things, nor insinuate them. I actually used an example from the real world that JCanete May 2017 #94

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #95

I care about him supporting Gorsuch more than I care about him saying stupid, albeit damaging, shit JCanete May 2017 #58

Scrumbag Joe Lieberman killed the public option MiddleClass May 2017 #63

Yes, and Lieberman is another one we tried to primary, and prominent Dems rallied behind him, from JCanete May 2017 #64

I remember that. MiddleClass May 2017 #67

I don't get the Stein vote. I get abstaining though. I personally DID NOT. But there are legitimate JCanete May 2017 #69

Hmmm Lotusflower70 May 2017 #82

Exactly, West Virginia is now a Republican state MiddleClass May 2017 #60

You need a link because I could not find where he said this...another and I looked carefully...put Demsrule86 May 2017 #9

That didn't take long, far right wing website Newsmax MiddleClass May 2017 #65

Same old Same old from this guy Thrill May 2017 #12

I did not hear Manchin say that...I asked for a link and it has not been provided. Demsrule86 May 2017 #25

Be careful...he has quite a fan club around here. n/t QC May 2017 #13

Hehehe... disillusioned73 May 2017 #16

Not at all, sadly. n/t QC May 2017 #17

I'd love to see.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #19

She would lose a general...and should never have run during a time we are trying to take back Demsrule86 May 2017 #24

I bet the same was said about.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #28

She was running for a seat in the state legislature, not a state-wide Senate seat. Big difference. George II May 2017 #37

I doubt it that is New York ...way different voters. Demsrule86 May 2017 #43

"Foolish primary"?? Huh.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #48

We live in a democracy under threat from Trump...who is a fascist at heart in Demsrule86 May 2017 #97

A Berniecrat.. (yes, that is what he was) disillusioned73 May 2017 #98

A moderate spending a pittance of what the GOP spent might have won. Demsrule86 May 2017 #99

Groups that you mention.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #100

Well people can enjoy the misery they will surely cause... Demsrule86 May 2017 #103

why would she lose a general? Why are you so certain? Are you saying we need Manchin because JCanete May 2017 #87

I think that might make her a strong challenger mvd May 2017 #38

LOL! NurseJackie May 2017 #27

Cheers! QC May 2017 #32

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #40

Seriously, needs to be replaced with a REAL Democrat... pronto. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #30

And I'd venture to say that none (or most) of his fans... a la izquierda May 2017 #101

That's usually they way it works. QC May 2017 #104

The problem with someone like Manchin only comes into play vi5 May 2017 #14

Is there any other solution for Dems in those type of Red states ? OnDoutside May 2017 #15

Yes, that would be better..... vi5 May 2017 #20

I agree, but isn't that usually swung over by a little pork barrel ? OnDoutside May 2017 #33

Look at the ACA.... vi5 May 2017 #36

I agree. But I'd still rather have Manchin than a Repuke mvd May 2017 #45

So it's an either/or situation? vi5 May 2017 #49

We're in agreement mvd May 2017 #50

Honestly.... vi5 May 2017 #56

vi5 MyOwnPeace May 2017 #88

Absolutely...the Dems can be be expected to vote with us most of the time... Demsrule86 May 2017 #22

Exactly ! Increase the tent of dependable Democratic Senators, without having to be concerned OnDoutside May 2017 #34

You miss my point...we can't win the majority without guys like Manchin... Demsrule86 May 2017 #42

Updated w/ video GusFring May 2017 #23

I've got news for him. The divide started with Clinton's impeachment Justice May 2017 #26

Who now is his wife Historic NY May 2017 #29

Talk about a hypocrite!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #31

Not a bad hypothesis but let me suggest a slightly different starting date. StevieM May 2017 #57

I guess no one told him of the months Baucus worked with karynnj May 2017 #35

While I Know, In Context, That's Not Exactly What He Said. . . ProfessorGAC May 2017 #39

Did you watch the vid? In context? He made it seem like it was Democrats fault for not getting repub GusFring May 2017 #41

Did You Read My Post? ProfessorGAC May 2017 #54

They should just say it and get it over with already. Initech May 2017 #44

Watched the video...I think fixing the ACA is the best approach too... Demsrule86 May 2017 #46

why are you making judgements about the best guy we can get? How do you know that to be the case, JCanete May 2017 #59

Hard to think of a now unfunded 'risk corridor' House of Roberts May 2017 #51

I heard him this morning he called the Democratic party the Democrat party doc03 May 2017 #55

How dare the Democrats pass a Heritage Foundation health care plan ... dawg May 2017 #61

Exactly dawg. Manchin is rewriting history as I explained in my post above still_one May 2017 #81

yep +++++++++++ JHan May 2017 #84

True that Lotusflower70 May 2017 #86

"Only"? That seems pretty damn good for anything. alarimer May 2017 #89

Dems couldn't get any votes for a veteran's suicide prevention bill either. What was one of the wiggs May 2017 #92

With "friends" like Manchin who needs enemies? nt arthritisR_US May 2017 #102