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In reply to the discussion: Manchin just said the divide started when Dems passed ACA w/ "ONLY" 60 votes [View all]vi5
(13,305 posts)14. The problem with someone like Manchin only comes into play
When we have 59 to 61 Senate seats. Then the party becomes his and his alone because he ends up having de facto veto power and essential control of progressive Democratic legislation.
When Dems are in the minority he is inconsequential, and when we have more than 61 seats he's inconsequential. Let him vote how he wants and let him yap all he wants to appeal to his constituents.
But the problem is that when he's a key vote then the entire party is held hostage to the whims and wants of "his constituents", and rather than playing hardball with someone in that position, our Democratic leadership always chooses to bend over backward giving that person what they want.
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Manchin just said the divide started when Dems passed ACA w/ "ONLY" 60 votes [View all]
GusFring
May 2017
OP
pnwmom, this was in context of the OP implying suggesting that according to Manchin the ACA was
still_one
May 2017
#77
What were you watching? He specifically said "WE" made a mistake. Learn from our mistake. He said
GusFring
May 2017
#18
What interview...I heard him say ACA needs fixing which it does...but not repeal.
Demsrule86
May 2017
#10
A big who cares...he is a warm body in our quest to retake the Senate and a no
Demsrule86
May 2017
#8
Thank you. Unfortunately the "vanity purists" among us aren't so thoughtful or practical.
NurseJackie
May 2017
#11
Sadly, I think you are right...we should not take advice from this segment of
Demsrule86
May 2017
#21
I thought in another thread you were pretty unforgiving of his Gorsuch support. Did I misremember
JCanete
May 2017
#66
I'd feel better about promoting a better candidate. We are artificially setting limits on what is
JCanete
May 2017
#70
Hey if you have actual thoughts here, feel free to share them. I won't bite your head off. No need
JCanete
May 2017
#72
you didn't respond to what I said. You wanted the last word with a LOL. That's passive aggressive
JCanete
May 2017
#74
I did respond. I think you're just frustrated because it's just not the response you wanted.
NurseJackie
May 2017
#75
You're overreacting. I'm simply amused. (And, FYI: Someone finding clever ways to skirt the rules...
NurseJackie
May 2017
#78
that wasn't the intention, and I don't know the rules very well, because i did say "cowardly" first
JCanete
May 2017
#83
Ah... yet another cleverly veiled insult by telling me I should be on FOX News. Hardy-har...
NurseJackie
May 2017
#90
what was veiled about that? I"m saying it is an actual tactic, used frequently by corporate pundits
JCanete
May 2017
#91
I didn't say those things, nor insinuate them. I actually used an example from the real world that
JCanete
May 2017
#94
I care about him supporting Gorsuch more than I care about him saying stupid, albeit damaging, shit
JCanete
May 2017
#58
Yes, and Lieberman is another one we tried to primary, and prominent Dems rallied behind him, from
JCanete
May 2017
#64
I don't get the Stein vote. I get abstaining though. I personally DID NOT. But there are legitimate
JCanete
May 2017
#69
You need a link because I could not find where he said this...another and I looked carefully...put
Demsrule86
May 2017
#9
I did not hear Manchin say that...I asked for a link and it has not been provided.
Demsrule86
May 2017
#25
She would lose a general...and should never have run during a time we are trying to take back
Demsrule86
May 2017
#24
She was running for a seat in the state legislature, not a state-wide Senate seat. Big difference.
George II
May 2017
#37
We live in a democracy under threat from Trump...who is a fascist at heart in
Demsrule86
May 2017
#97
why would she lose a general? Why are you so certain? Are you saying we need Manchin because
JCanete
May 2017
#87
Absolutely...the Dems can be be expected to vote with us most of the time...
Demsrule86
May 2017
#22
Exactly ! Increase the tent of dependable Democratic Senators, without having to be concerned
OnDoutside
May 2017
#34
Did you watch the vid? In context? He made it seem like it was Democrats fault for not getting repub
GusFring
May 2017
#41
why are you making judgements about the best guy we can get? How do you know that to be the case,
JCanete
May 2017
#59