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NurseJackie

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68. There are many thing for which to fairly criticize him.

Thu May 25, 2017, 05:21 PM

May 2017

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I'd also be very interested to know what is actually practical about wondering what we're going to get from this man and what we can count on.
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Is that what bothers you? The wondering? The uncertainty? Would you feel better with the 100% certainty that a GOP Senator in his place would support Trumpcare? Or is it the certainty that a GOP Senator in his place means that the Democrats would need TWO additional senate seats to get closer to (or gain, or keep, should we be so fortunate) a majority.

I guess I'm just puzzled by the "logic" of those who think it's preferable to run in his place a fringe liberal candidate who'd lose to the GOP candidate. I see no value in replacing a Democrat with a Republican (no matter how "warm and fuzzy" it makes people feel for putting forth a vanity candidate who doesn't stand a chance of winning).

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Manchin just said the divide started when Dems passed ACA w/ "ONLY" 60 votes [View all] GusFring May 2017 OP

I like him. Goodheart May 2017 #1

what do you like about him? still_one May 2017 #52

I like him just like I like any DINO. We need some of them to have pnwmom May 2017 #62

pnwmom, this was in context of the OP implying suggesting that according to Manchin the ACA was still_one May 2017 #77

Completely agree. c-rational May 2017 #79

Thanks. he is a perfect example of what profiles in courage is NOT about still_one May 2017 #85

Do you also like festering sucking chest wounds? Moostache May 2017 #53

My sentiments exactly c-rational May 2017 #80

I don't. He can count on a Primary challenge JDC May 2017 #96

I guess it would have been better to do nothing? yardwork May 2017 #2

I saw the interview. He didn't blame Democrats for anything. Goodheart May 2017 #3

What were you watching? He specifically said "WE" made a mistake. Learn from our mistake. He said GusFring May 2017 #18

I saw interview too bresue May 2017 #4

Here's the deal BumRushDaShow May 2017 #5

Well, in this interview he said he's urging McConnell to drop talk of repeal Goodheart May 2017 #6

Right BumRushDaShow May 2017 #7

What interview...I heard him say ACA needs fixing which it does...but not repeal. Demsrule86 May 2017 #10

Well, that's nice . . . hatrack May 2017 #47

A big who cares...he is a warm body in our quest to retake the Senate and a no Demsrule86 May 2017 #8

Thank you. Unfortunately the "vanity purists" among us aren't so thoughtful or practical. NurseJackie May 2017 #11

Sadly, I think you are right...we should not take advice from this segment of Demsrule86 May 2017 #21

I thought in another thread you were pretty unforgiving of his Gorsuch support. Did I misremember JCanete May 2017 #66

There are many thing for which to fairly criticize him. NurseJackie May 2017 #68

I'd feel better about promoting a better candidate. We are artificially setting limits on what is JCanete May 2017 #70

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #71

Hey if you have actual thoughts here, feel free to share them. I won't bite your head off. No need JCanete May 2017 #72

LOL! I did share them already! NurseJackie May 2017 #73

you didn't respond to what I said. You wanted the last word with a LOL. That's passive aggressive JCanete May 2017 #74

I did respond. I think you're just frustrated because it's just not the response you wanted. NurseJackie May 2017 #75

bullshit. It is entirely legitimate to decide a discussion is getting nowhere. JCanete May 2017 #76

You're overreacting. I'm simply amused. (And, FYI: Someone finding clever ways to skirt the rules... NurseJackie May 2017 #78

that wasn't the intention, and I don't know the rules very well, because i did say "cowardly" first JCanete May 2017 #83

Ah... yet another cleverly veiled insult by telling me I should be on FOX News. Hardy-har... NurseJackie May 2017 #90

what was veiled about that? I"m saying it is an actual tactic, used frequently by corporate pundits JCanete May 2017 #91

I'm sure I don't need to spell it out for you. NurseJackie May 2017 #93

I didn't say those things, nor insinuate them. I actually used an example from the real world that JCanete May 2017 #94

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #95

I care about him supporting Gorsuch more than I care about him saying stupid, albeit damaging, shit JCanete May 2017 #58

Scrumbag Joe Lieberman killed the public option MiddleClass May 2017 #63

Yes, and Lieberman is another one we tried to primary, and prominent Dems rallied behind him, from JCanete May 2017 #64

I remember that. MiddleClass May 2017 #67

I don't get the Stein vote. I get abstaining though. I personally DID NOT. But there are legitimate JCanete May 2017 #69

Hmmm Lotusflower70 May 2017 #82

Exactly, West Virginia is now a Republican state MiddleClass May 2017 #60

You need a link because I could not find where he said this...another and I looked carefully...put Demsrule86 May 2017 #9

That didn't take long, far right wing website Newsmax MiddleClass May 2017 #65

Same old Same old from this guy Thrill May 2017 #12

I did not hear Manchin say that...I asked for a link and it has not been provided. Demsrule86 May 2017 #25

Be careful...he has quite a fan club around here. n/t QC May 2017 #13

Hehehe... disillusioned73 May 2017 #16

Not at all, sadly. n/t QC May 2017 #17

I'd love to see.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #19

She would lose a general...and should never have run during a time we are trying to take back Demsrule86 May 2017 #24

I bet the same was said about.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #28

She was running for a seat in the state legislature, not a state-wide Senate seat. Big difference. George II May 2017 #37

I doubt it that is New York ...way different voters. Demsrule86 May 2017 #43

"Foolish primary"?? Huh.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #48

We live in a democracy under threat from Trump...who is a fascist at heart in Demsrule86 May 2017 #97

A Berniecrat.. (yes, that is what he was) disillusioned73 May 2017 #98

A moderate spending a pittance of what the GOP spent might have won. Demsrule86 May 2017 #99

Groups that you mention.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #100

Well people can enjoy the misery they will surely cause... Demsrule86 May 2017 #103

why would she lose a general? Why are you so certain? Are you saying we need Manchin because JCanete May 2017 #87

I think that might make her a strong challenger mvd May 2017 #38

LOL! NurseJackie May 2017 #27

Cheers! QC May 2017 #32

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #40

Seriously, needs to be replaced with a REAL Democrat... pronto. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #30

And I'd venture to say that none (or most) of his fans... a la izquierda May 2017 #101

That's usually they way it works. QC May 2017 #104

The problem with someone like Manchin only comes into play vi5 May 2017 #14

Is there any other solution for Dems in those type of Red states ? OnDoutside May 2017 #15

Yes, that would be better..... vi5 May 2017 #20

I agree, but isn't that usually swung over by a little pork barrel ? OnDoutside May 2017 #33

Look at the ACA.... vi5 May 2017 #36

I agree. But I'd still rather have Manchin than a Repuke mvd May 2017 #45

So it's an either/or situation? vi5 May 2017 #49

We're in agreement mvd May 2017 #50

Honestly.... vi5 May 2017 #56

vi5 MyOwnPeace May 2017 #88

Absolutely...the Dems can be be expected to vote with us most of the time... Demsrule86 May 2017 #22

Exactly ! Increase the tent of dependable Democratic Senators, without having to be concerned OnDoutside May 2017 #34

You miss my point...we can't win the majority without guys like Manchin... Demsrule86 May 2017 #42

Updated w/ video GusFring May 2017 #23

I've got news for him. The divide started with Clinton's impeachment Justice May 2017 #26

Who now is his wife Historic NY May 2017 #29

Talk about a hypocrite!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #31

Not a bad hypothesis but let me suggest a slightly different starting date. StevieM May 2017 #57

I guess no one told him of the months Baucus worked with karynnj May 2017 #35

While I Know, In Context, That's Not Exactly What He Said. . . ProfessorGAC May 2017 #39

Did you watch the vid? In context? He made it seem like it was Democrats fault for not getting repub GusFring May 2017 #41

Did You Read My Post? ProfessorGAC May 2017 #54

They should just say it and get it over with already. Initech May 2017 #44

Watched the video...I think fixing the ACA is the best approach too... Demsrule86 May 2017 #46

why are you making judgements about the best guy we can get? How do you know that to be the case, JCanete May 2017 #59

Hard to think of a now unfunded 'risk corridor' House of Roberts May 2017 #51

I heard him this morning he called the Democratic party the Democrat party doc03 May 2017 #55

How dare the Democrats pass a Heritage Foundation health care plan ... dawg May 2017 #61

Exactly dawg. Manchin is rewriting history as I explained in my post above still_one May 2017 #81

yep +++++++++++ JHan May 2017 #84

True that Lotusflower70 May 2017 #86

"Only"? That seems pretty damn good for anything. alarimer May 2017 #89

Dems couldn't get any votes for a veteran's suicide prevention bill either. What was one of the wiggs May 2017 #92

With "friends" like Manchin who needs enemies? nt arthritisR_US May 2017 #102