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athena

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72. I agree, but I don't eat animals.
Thu May 25, 2017, 07:42 PM
May 2017

I'm 99% plant-based. I make an exception for a bit of cheese every two weeks or so, and for situations when I go out and there is no vegan option available, in which case I get the vegetarian option. I haven't had meat, poultry, or fish in over four years.

If one insists on eating animals, the only honest way to do it is to kill and dismember the animal oneself. But it's still cruel. If you watch animals for any length of time -- even squirrels -- you realize they're much more like us than most people like to believe.

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Best of luck in your battle with the furry little chompers! CaliforniaPeggy May 2017 #1
FYI, groundhogs are good eating! NickB79 May 2017 #2
My friend saw one of the parents, yesterday, and said it is massive Siwsan May 2017 #4
I tried that but I am not too keen on squirrel or ground hog. gordianot May 2017 #5
So much cruelty in this thread. athena May 2017 #8
My thoughts exactly. Doremus May 2017 #40
We are horrible, I just finished eating part of a chicken a bit ago snooper2 May 2017 #104
I hope you feel better now. Doremus May 2017 #116
Well, the very best way to keep critters from your veggies Hortensis May 2017 #46
You've never had a bunch of hairy lawnmowers chew your whole garden down to soil Warpy May 2017 #54
Dried blood. WinkyDink May 2017 #60
If you eat meat, hunting your own is the least cruel way to get it NickB79 May 2017 #57
I agree, but I don't eat animals. athena May 2017 #72
I'd go vegetarian, but someone on this thread told us vegetable gardening is also cruel NickB79 May 2017 #101
Your dietary choices are between you and your own conscience. athena May 2017 #103
No--they're greasier than a Trump cabinet meeting with Eric and Junior! lastlib May 2017 #66
Funny, my grandfather raved about groundhog as a kid NickB79 May 2017 #102
Yuck. roamer65 May 2017 #97
You are truly a kind person. gordianot May 2017 #3
If my bro had his way, he'd be over here, armed and ready Siwsan May 2017 #6
In the last year I trapped 26+ possums only 4 this year. gordianot May 2017 #11
I've never seen a possum, in this area Siwsan May 2017 #15
Possums are tick eating machines. gordianot May 2017 #31
It's cruel and heartless to terrorize groundhogs. athena May 2017 #7
Oh for pities sake! Siwsan May 2017 #12
You could build a groundhog proof fence if you cared. athena May 2017 #16
Apparently you have never dealt with groundhogs. Siwsan May 2017 #18
There is no humor in making poor defenseless animals suffer. athena May 2017 #29
Where, exactly, do you get your food? How do you source it? Any idea how the farmers manage pests? Hekate May 2017 #65
The point is to minimize suffering. athena May 2017 #74
Good night, Athena. Siwsan May 2017 #84
Thanks for the personal attacks. athena May 2017 #86
Yep. Digging is pretty much their thing. alphafemale May 2017 #81
The garlic has always grown deep enough to be a pretty good barrier Siwsan May 2017 #83
I thought the ostrich was the most useless animal on earth... snooper2 May 2017 #105
I completely agree. The problem with trapping is it won't solve the problem and is cruel. 58Sunliner May 2017 #45
Exactly! athena May 2017 #77
Wait a minute... Manly_Scream May 2017 #87
Native plants have evolved with the wildlife. athena May 2017 #96
I once saw a guy on Youtube... Manly_Scream May 2017 #100
We have a hawk in our neighborhood that has been known to haul off small dogs. Grammy23 May 2017 #9
I have quite a few squirrels but they only seemed focused on the bird feeders Siwsan May 2017 #13
My bird feeders get sucked dry by the squirrels regularly. Grammy23 May 2017 #36
I should look into one of those, if they ever crack my 'plastic shield' technique Siwsan May 2017 #37
The Blue Jays in my backyard completely run the show this time of year. NCTraveler May 2017 #106
I put an inflatable rattlesnake in my tomato garden. Birds would eat the seeds from fruit. maveric May 2017 #10
Hmmm - that's something I hadn't thought of. Siwsan May 2017 #14
Good luck with your live traps! CrispyQ May 2017 #17
I saw that, earlier! Siwsan May 2017 #19
I admire your humane attempt! CrispyQ May 2017 #25
Well, I do my best! Siwsan May 2017 #32
It's not humane. athena May 2017 #35
Okay. Guess he should just poison them. Or shoot them. CrispyQ May 2017 #38
Attacking the messenger is not the solution. athena May 2017 #39
Thank you for your efforts Doremus May 2017 #47
Thank you for your kind words. athena May 2017 #73
You're not alone and I suspect we're not the only ones, just not the most vocal Doremus May 2017 #117
You're not alone. cwydro May 2017 #93
We had to put a fence around our entire garden and then dig around the perimeter and put wood appleannie1943 May 2017 #20
When this garden was put in, about 40 years ago, it was pretty secure Siwsan May 2017 #23
You could try a border with mixed alliums. These are the family garlic is in. suffragette May 2017 #107
I am going to boost up the garlic, along the fence line Siwsan May 2017 #108
Mixing the garlic with other alliums would give you a tasty and pretty border. suffragette May 2017 #109
I was just out checking on the rest of my garlic - it looks to be a really good year Siwsan May 2017 #110
Such a yummy way to ward off the evil ones. Garlic bread with a salad is sounding good suffragette May 2017 #111
I always look forward to harvest time. It's a lot of work, but definitely worth it Siwsan May 2017 #112
I love garlic. You'd defintely like the garlic chives, then. suffragette May 2017 #113
I have those in one of my gardens - they appeared, out of nowhere! Well, maybe out of bird poop! Siwsan May 2017 #114
Then you have a head start on your new border! suffragette May 2017 #115
Between squirrels, rabbits and moles--the best bet is a garden box with a chicken wire hinged top. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #21
I am going to re-grow garlic along the fence line Siwsan May 2017 #26
I spray coyote urine all around. Blue_true May 2017 #22
I read that human male urine works, too Siwsan May 2017 #24
We tried that. Had hubby go in a bottle. Problem was, every time it rained it washed it away appleannie1943 May 2017 #28
These are plants you could plant around the outside of your herb garden that would keep them from appleannie1943 May 2017 #27
I grow a lot of garlic - maybe I'll relocate some to the herb garden Siwsan May 2017 #33
get a trail cam or a critter cam so you can watch them... samnsara May 2017 #30
My fear is they've already done that, are they are watching me!! Siwsan May 2017 #34
Nice herb garden malaise May 2017 #41
I'm working on it! Siwsan May 2017 #43
My thyme, basil, rosemary are doing fine malaise May 2017 #44
I always have trouble growing cilantro Siwsan May 2017 #49
Thyme and rosemary don't do so well when the temperature drops malaise May 2017 #50
A curry leaf shrub!?!?!?!?! I might just desperately need one of those! Siwsan May 2017 #51
Oh yes - I never cook curry or malaise May 2017 #52
Must look into this! Siwsan May 2017 #53
I grow cilantro too but also "chadon beni" - or as you might call it "spirit weed'? JHan May 2017 #55
Ok, these are probably not going to be recognized as predators. Think owl, hawk, eagle. 58Sunliner May 2017 #42
I'm probably going to end up erecting a reinforced, decorative fence around the herbs Siwsan May 2017 #48
The downside was explained in one of my previous posts, which I invite you to read now. athena May 2017 #85
I understand what you are saying, but stop and see the big picture. 58Sunliner May 2017 #88
I'm sorry that you have chosen to become so vile. Really. Siwsan May 2017 #89
Vile is subjective. I will agree I can be rude and tactless. 58Sunliner May 2017 #95
Buried fences aren't pretty Warpy May 2017 #56
Last year I had a baby bunny that was hopping through the fencing! Siwsan May 2017 #58
I've planted herb gardens, and plan to again this year. I figure, WTH, so it's a buffet for animals. WinkyDink May 2017 #59
I plan for and use everything I grow Siwsan May 2017 #63
Then you must do what you must do! WinkyDink May 2017 #67
I endeavor to be as kind as possible!! Siwsan May 2017 #69
Certain persons seem to have entirely missed that point... Hekate May 2017 #68
Thanks! Wish I could have you over for a Ratatouille dinner, with me! Siwsan May 2017 #70
I loooove Ratatouille. Eggplant is one of my favorite vegetables. Hekate May 2017 #71
When is your birthday? I'll send you a crossbow and your problems will be over quickly... Blue_Tires May 2017 #61
Are you trying to get me into trouble with people!!! Siwsan May 2017 #64
You can buy cougar, coyote, wolf urine sprays. OregonBlue May 2017 #62
Voles are my biggest problem. Got rabbits and deer too plus other critters. Old Terp May 2017 #75
Our dogs do that duty. hunter May 2017 #76
they're naturally spreading out from your neighbors land looking for food. clean up the junk, they d Sunlei May 2017 #78
The cat litter is no where near the plants Siwsan May 2017 #80
they are too cute to shoot right now LSFL May 2017 #79
Oh, you made me LAUGH!! Siwsan May 2017 #82
My successful battle with groundhogs Jersey Devil May 2017 #90
That is a great suggestion! Siwsan May 2017 #91
Yep, one bite from each tomato Jersey Devil May 2017 #94
That's a great idea! nt cwydro May 2017 #92
Too bad you didn't have some bald eagles around, Siwsan. roamer65 May 2017 #98
I have seen an eagle, in the area Siwsan May 2017 #99
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