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Tom Rinaldo

(23,199 posts)
20. A coalition of voters will "save" the Dems
Fri May 26, 2017, 12:14 PM
May 2017

And that coalition will vary from state to state depending on the demographics of each state. Increasingly, in more and more places, whites constitute a minority of a wining Democratic coalition. That however doesn't make white support any less critical, in many instances, for Democrats winning. And in virtually every case, when a Democrat loses, a Republican wins.

I absolutely agree with you on this: "overall if we can focus our efforts on making it possible for POC to vote, to be in communities of color articulating the importance of voting, we would not only win, we would do the moral thing." It is also the moral thing, politics aside, to fight for continued medical benefits for white West Virginia coal miners with black lung disease. And if we stand with them on that crucial front, we might as well ask them for their votes as well, knowing full well that for now at least we will not win most of them. In the case of a West Virginia, I say we should do the right thing, and ask for voter support in return, but not put a lot of resources into it. The tipping point is too far beyond our reach.

Montana, however, may be different. Montana has become a little more competitive for us. Democrats in general face brighter prospects in most most western and mountain states than they do in most southern states. As long as we have a Federal system that equates the power of a state like Montana with the power of a State like California in the U.S. Senate - and to a somewhat lesser extent in the Electoral College where each state starts out getting 2 votes regardless of their actual population - we need to factor in the individual demographics of each specific state into our calculations if we want someone like Chuck Schumer setting the Congressional agenda rather than Mitch McConnell.

Everywhere in the nation at least a portion of white voters are progressive and committed to social justice - we agree about that. And another portion are racist to a significant degree, and barring individual instances of near miraculous conversions, beyond our ability to find common ground with. Then there are a lot of people who harbor destructive prejudices, that are running constantly in their psyches like some background computer program, but who can hit manual override when they consciously focus in on an individual flesh and blood human being, or a vivid close to home experience of some horrific injustice. Martin Luther King Jr. was masterful at finding a way to break through to those people even though most of his organizing energy was directed toward the African American community. Even he never reached most of even them, but sometimes he reached enough of them to make a critical difference in achieving specific victories.

We must NEVER pander, directly or indirectly, to white racism. Nor can we be unrealistic about how many more white votes we can win beyond our reliable white base. Yes, we have to be clear eyed about this, but a clear eyed vision must also recognize when our ability to pick off an additional small sliver of the white vote, without compromising on our core values, may well represent the difference between victory and defeat. We already know that winning the majority of the popular vote in this country does not automatically translate into winning power. We need to retake the Presidency, but we also need 60 seats in the U.S. Senate before we can do more things like the Obama Administration accomplished before losing a veto proof majority. And in states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, it's not a matter of having to win over new white voters to regain the margin of victory. If we can win back half of the white voters who we lost who previously voted for a black president prior to 2016, those states again move beyond the reach of Republicans.

It it a waste of good resources to target all white Trump voters. It can be a good use of resources however to micro target small slivers of his previous white support. That is very doable with the type of voter data bases that now exist.

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And there's this... PunkinPi May 2017 #1
Yup. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #2
It's delusional to think otherwise. dalton99a May 2017 #3
which LBJ knew would happen JI7 May 2017 #17
Wow, Punkin! Distribution of White Voters.. Cha May 2017 #90
Eye opening, isn't it? PunkinPi May 2017 #91
Yes, it's eye opening Cha May 2017 #92
We don't need a majority of the WWC marylandblue May 2017 #4
Or tazkcmo May 2017 #28
It is as much age as race SCantiGOP May 2017 #46
I agree tazkcmo May 2017 #49
Yes the age of the voters is as big a factor as race FakeNoose May 2017 #79
Or, that $$$ has taken over our political process?? disillusioned73 May 2017 #5
how is it that this money seems to only influence whites, and not POC? La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #6
I am not even sure what direction you are going in.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #9
Obama won 2 elections with a minority of white votes BEFORE the VRA was struck down. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #11
I don't see how the one denies the other. LanternWaste May 2017 #25
OK,, and.. disillusioned73 May 2017 #78
United brought to us by the Greens and Nader put money into politics...this is the reality. Demsrule86 May 2017 #26
"And some want the Democrats to be pure...and not take money which would guarantee a loss." LenaBaby61 May 2017 #35
I agree completely...you said it better than I did. Demsrule86 May 2017 #41
Facts don't matter to these people. DetlefK May 2017 #7
How Many Black Voters Are There In Montana? SoCalMusicLover May 2017 #8
Montana is irrelevant n2doc May 2017 #10
+1 dalton99a May 2017 #14
THIS. all day long. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #16
Montana has only one house rep, like it's not that important in the scale of things. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #12
We need to stay around 40% of the white vote to win. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #13
yeah and we need to be able to find ways to get black voters ID's La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #19
We need to do both. Lucky Luciano May 2017 #60
I don't think you can make generalizations about the national electorate DefenseLawyer May 2017 #15
what percentage of the white vote did Obama get again? La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #18
it shows we still struggle with rural voters Amishman May 2017 #34
A coalition of voters will "save" the Dems Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #20
every time we say we need to get rid of identity politics La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #21
I don't believe we should "get rid of identity politics." Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #23
great. maybe you can send the message to the person whose avatar La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #24
Believe it or not, your post was alerted on. cwydro May 2017 #30
i believe it. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #31
He is not always pitch perfect, no one is Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #33
I know this won't be accepted WellDarn May 2017 #22
I 100% agree with you and 0% disagree with you Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #27
Unfortunately WellDarn May 2017 #68
I agree Gothmog May 2017 #29
We also have to invest substantial resources in stopping repug cheating brush May 2017 #32
agreed, and that is what i mean by an investment in POC communities. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #37
Those same "white people" elected Steve Bullock and Jon Tester. brooklynite May 2017 #36
and Donald Trump by a 20 pt margin. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #38
And Montana is normally such a great place for Democratic candidates! QC May 2017 #39
... LexVegas May 2017 #40
Until we stop using easily hackable no paper trail e-voting machines judesedit May 2017 #42
I think it's more rural whites that are 100% Repug. lark May 2017 #43
again, i never said a 100% of whites were anything. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #45
You realize that I probably can find a slew of house and senate races onenote May 2017 #44
I think the OP is about a straw man . . FairWinds May 2017 #47
There was a whole primary intimating that very point wasn't there?! uponit7771 May 2017 #84
Yeah, you guys are big on "intimation," FairWinds May 2017 #94
K&R. 53 percent of the white woman vote went to Trump. WhiskeyGrinder May 2017 #48
yeah. also focusing on POC doesn't mean we are kicking white people out of the party La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #51
They do indeed. Some people worry that privilege is a pie. WhiskeyGrinder May 2017 #52
Racists these days choose to be racists. liberalmuse May 2017 #50
We need a coalition with high turnout to win IronLionZion May 2017 #53
Hopefully young people will be able to see how much it fucking matters. bettyellen May 2017 #54
that's always been my hypothesis. that as long as we depend on the youth vote La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #67
I've seen dumb shit like we would have "free college and healthcare by NOW" bettyellen May 2017 #73
Don't forget though DownriverDem May 2017 #55
The candidate was a nice guy but not a good fit for the state. hrmjustin May 2017 #56
There is no such thibng as "white people" and saying it is racism. L. Coyote May 2017 #57
lol. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #63
Really?! You think that's the way society see's my kids ?! uponit7771 May 2017 #85
39-40% of the white vote is enough to save Democrats Awsi Dooger May 2017 #58
What the Montana election demonstrated to me was democrank May 2017 #59
+1, and Perez's reason for showing up late was "money" ... while the KGOP put in millions uponit7771 May 2017 #86
The Democratic Party needs to focus on all people lancelyons May 2017 #61
I'm a white male and think you are right about that ... KPN May 2017 #62
The problem is low voter turnout. Restrictive voting etc..Montana doesn't prove anything. 58Sunliner May 2017 #64
i thought there was a democratic approach highlighting populism that could break those barriers? La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #66
While I would have voted for Quist if I lived in Montana TexasTowelie May 2017 #65
Disagree romanic May 2017 #69
where did i say that? it's funny how some people will interpret any emphasis on POC La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #72
I want to thank all the blue counties in Montana who tried their damnest! Crowman2009 May 2017 #70
K&R, K&R K&R K&R... ismnotwasm May 2017 #71
The same White people in Montana have a Democrat as Governor and a Democrat as US Senator. Blue_true May 2017 #74
Quist wasn't suited for Montana? thx in advance uponit7771 May 2017 #87
I am a white WC male in my sixties OP workinclasszero May 2017 #75
they were given a crazy stark choice this time, but million of black in Wisconsin La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #76
They cannot stop a massive blue wave election nationwide in 2018 workinclasszero May 2017 #77
+1 !!!! "The Democratic party should now concentrate on the folks who stayed home" uponit7771 May 2017 #88
Wheres more than enough votes there workinclasszero May 2017 #89
Then we have a problem. mwooldri May 2017 #80
first of all we do have a problem as evidenced by the fact La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #83
No ONE group can "save" the Dems Muneravenmn May 2017 #81
a majority of whites did not vote for Obama. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #82
Democrats haven't held that seat in more than 20 years. alarimer May 2017 #93
Quist was a weak candidate and it's a red state. Simple as that. LBM20 May 2017 #95
K&R Quayblue May 2017 #96
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