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csziggy

(34,189 posts)
84. For years I bought domestic cars - but they just didn't make what we needed
Sun May 28, 2017, 07:16 PM
May 2017

For a price we could pay the last time around. That is still true.

A sedan just does not cut it for our needs. The original Prius hatchback is good, but we need a little more room, thus the Prius v.

A Ford C-Max Hybrid might handle what we need, but I will not buy another Ford. They are perfectly good cars but the local dealership are crooks and I will not put business in their direction. I live in a fairly isolated market - I would have to drive to Georgia or a hundred miles to stay in my state in order to get to another Ford dealer. Any specialize servicing on their hybrid would need to be done at a dealer and that is not going to happen locally.

When I can I buy locally and American produced goods - but I cannot afford to spend money on things that do not fit my needs, that are over priced compared to the competition, and that will cost me more money in the future.

I would love to buy a GM made hybrid, but the Volt sedan is not what I need and the Chevy Tahoe and Cadillac Escalade are far beyond my price range - and if I need that much hauling space, I already own a gas powered GMC Suburban. It is not gas efficient, but it is paid for and I will keep it as long as I can keep it running. Since I seldom need to use it, the dismal gas mileage is not a huge concern anymore. It will be the last large vehicle I will ever buy.

American car manufacturers should have started building efficient cars and experimenting with hybrid or other alternatively powered engines in the 1970s. Instead they imported cheap, undersized foreign made cars that they sold under their brands. Then they abandoned those models as soon as gas prices dropped. I have a book from the late 1970s about converting gasoline cars to electric - if it could be done by home tinkerers, why couldn't American engineers do it better, cheaper and more efficient forty years ago? They left the door open for Toyota to build the first mass produced, widely sold hybrid and break open the market.

The same is happening today, American manufacturers are letting politics dictate what they are willing to spend their research dollars on. The US should have been leaders in solar power and other alternative power sources. Ronald Reagan and the Bushes made sure that would not happen. Now India, China and Germany are building more plants to produce solar panels and generating significant percentages of their electricity with their own solar panels. In contrast, US states are trying to pass legislation to restrict the use of solar power - fortunately here in Florida, that initiative failed last year, but I am sure the backers will try again.

American manufacturers screwed themselves and screwed consumers along the way. We had the brains, the money, and the ability to build better cars for the last half century. Jimmy Carter told us forty years ago that we needed to make the steps to energy efficiency, but we let the oil companies and the Republicans bull shit the country into ignoring President Carter. So screw the American car manufacturers - they've done it to themselves.

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No, it doesn't. But, some will tell you it does. MineralMan May 2017 #1
Yes, it does unblock May 2017 #2
The OP's Forte was most likely built in Mexico A HERETIC I AM May 2017 #9
How did it get over the wall? brooklynite May 2017 #27
By going around! A HERETIC I AM May 2017 #30
tunnel Motley13 May 2017 #57
Catapult Bradical79 May 2017 #61
😂😂😂😂 Quayblue May 2017 #83
beemers are made in the USA too Demonaut May 2017 #85
Our Prez -- and a lot of others -- want to slap a 20+% tariff on foreign cars. Hoyt May 2017 #3
I've had a Soul for 7 years. No problems at all. politicat May 2017 #41
Thanks. Been through a timing belt melt-down on my lady friend's VW Beetle. Jeez. Hoyt May 2017 #46
I think that was one of the reasons VW went to the 2.5 5 cyl with a chain. NutmegYankee May 2017 #73
My next (used) car will be a Soul, I think Freddie May 2017 #51
If nothing else, the puns on the model name are an added bonus. politicat May 2017 #63
Thank you Freddie May 2017 #92
60k timing belt on a interference motor? ouch! EX500rider May 2017 #59
That was on a Hyundai Accent. politicat May 2017 #62
No. tammywammy May 2017 #4
I must be honest. shockey80 May 2017 #5
No it doesn't make you a traitor. Demsrule86 May 2017 #6
What do you drive? Cirque du So-What May 2017 #14
I own a Chevy Traverse and a Chevy Malibu...both made in this country...bought my kid Demsrule86 May 2017 #64
How so? VMA131Marine May 2017 #17
Lordstown makes the Cruze and was supposed to for all sales in this country...but Demsrule86 May 2017 #65
Wow. Are you kidding here? Do you think MAYBE Chevy and Ford might make cars AS GOOD AS FOREIGN WinkyDink May 2017 #32
I think that money is in manufacturing not the retail and when you buy foreign cars you are not Demsrule86 May 2017 #66
How about instead of an entitlement attitude the companies actually try to sell a better product. NutmegYankee May 2017 #76
American automakers clearly don't have their heart in making small cars Cirque du So-What May 2017 #7
That is not really true...they are forced to compete with cheap imports. Demsrule86 May 2017 #67
I had an aunt who was in the WAC... Different Drummer May 2017 #8
If you're here, you're likely a liberal. That's enough in most of their minds. Blue_Adept May 2017 #10
No. You simply outsourced some of the profits. Nt NCTraveler May 2017 #11
UAW members at Lordstown thank you MichMan May 2017 #12
If GM were truly interested in keeping Lordstown at capacity Cirque du So-What May 2017 #18
You just have way too many facts... it's not fair to others... pangaia May 2017 #34
The cruze gets great mileage. Demsrule86 May 2017 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Cirque du So-What May 2017 #78
So you never buy anything foreign-made? Try looking at the label in your pants. WinkyDink May 2017 #33
Gulp!!!! pangaia May 2017 #35
You are right because the entire garment industry went down in this country and those areas still Demsrule86 May 2017 #69
Like I said, shockey80 May 2017 #13
I'm an employee of one of the big 3 and I say... Takket May 2017 #15
I am the wife of an employee of one of the big three and the mother of a laid off Demsrule86 May 2017 #70
By the way, I am a union member. That's why I like to buy american. shockey80 May 2017 #16
Solidarity is forgotten when it is inconvenient I guess n/m MichMan May 2017 #21
Give it a rest. WinkyDink May 2017 #36
As Winkydink so eloquently put it... try looking at the label in your pants.. pangaia May 2017 #40
False analogy MichMan May 2017 #42
What about the Longshoreman's Union? n/t BlueSpot May 2017 #50
Although I am no longer a union member, I was for many years Cirque du So-What May 2017 #25
Whatever gets you through the day...there are many Chevy dealerships and great deals on cars Demsrule86 May 2017 #71
No, but you won't have a warranty when Donny tiny hands starts a war with North Korea... Hassin Bin Sober May 2017 #19
Just wondering ProudLib72 May 2017 #20
Sober shockey80 May 2017 #22
I did not go back to a focus because reliability has dropped. shockey80 May 2017 #23
If the Chevy dealer's website is consistently wrong csziggy May 2017 #24
If people keep buying foreign...we will lose our last great industry which support many other jobs. Demsrule86 May 2017 #72
For years I bought domestic cars - but they just didn't make what we needed csziggy May 2017 #84
I refuse to argue with you...I have seen the new cars and many would be those standards...only thing Demsrule86 May 2017 #90
Just saw the Netflix series "ABSTRACT"... bagelsforbreakfast May 2017 #26
A little bit. Turbineguy May 2017 #28
A Lada? ProudLib72 May 2017 #77
Yes. And you should be deported to NORTH Korea as punishment. democratisphere May 2017 #29
Never unAmerican to go for the best price and product! WinkyDink May 2017 #31
I'm surprised some here didn't post "America--Love It or Leave it." WinkyDink May 2017 #37
shopping at walmart makes you unamerican unless its food.... beachbum bob May 2017 #38
I buy clothes from WalMart LeftInTX May 2017 #53
I've heard great things about Kia and their warranties. nt ecstatic May 2017 #39
You should buy what you like. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #43
I buy American SonofDonald May 2017 #44
Absolutely not!! Doreen May 2017 #45
You get in and out of your moon roof? k8conant May 2017 #75
OK, the way it is stated it does look like that is what I am trying to say. Doreen May 2017 #82
I enjoyed that! k8conant May 2017 #87
Nope jehop61 May 2017 #47
My grandfather was a UAW shop steward. In the 90s, he told me to stop buying Big 3. politicat May 2017 #48
No, you're not a traitor. hamsterjill May 2017 #49
We've had a KIA Sedona for 15 years mcar May 2017 #52
People often forget that our domestic auto brands are also sold internationally... MedusaX May 2017 #54
I bought my first "new" car a few years ago. forgotmylogin May 2017 #55
you do what is best for you!!!!! Motley13 May 2017 #56
Your choice Dem2 May 2017 #58
Pretty sure the Kia warranty is better than anything Chevy could offer you. sarcasmo May 2017 #60
Yeah and with their quality, you are going to need it. Demsrule86 May 2017 #74
I found the same things when I bought my Kia 10 years ago Warpy May 2017 #79
My son bought a Kia Forte about a month ago LeftInTX May 2017 #80
Yes. You should have bought a Lada. nt marybourg May 2017 #81
Well sure the KIA can be sold for less, no union wages, the company doesn't pay for employee doc03 May 2017 #86
Patriotism shouldn't be part of a decision to buy a car these days DFW May 2017 #88
Try to buy us built but after my Chevy and I got busted up a bit, the insurance payment dembotoz May 2017 #89
We have a Kia Forte. cynatnite May 2017 #91
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