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GBizzle

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21. Easy. No need for hostility. I voted for Hillary Clinton, not Jill Stein.

Tue May 30, 2017, 10:33 AM

May 2017

We're on the same side here. I don't know where that quote came from, but it isn't mine.

That being said, her paid speeches and perceived coziness to Wall Street didn't help her candidacy one bit.

If you think it did help her, or that it had no effect, then I don't think we'll ever see eye-to-eye. It's just not reasonable to pretend there was no effect.

I'm not going so far as to say she lost because of it, but it definitely hurt her. In my view, it was simply one out of many factors that put Trump in office. I think that's reasonable to say.

I think it will hurt Cory Booker too, if he is our nominee, though I can't say how much. He may win regardless, but I also care about more than just winning. I think that's fair.

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I like Cory Booker a lot but he needs to keep as much distance as possible from Trump... [View all] DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 OP

He doesn't think Jared needs his security clearance pulled SHRED May 2017 #1

If the media accounts are true he should be indicted. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #2

That is why we have a special counsel nt geek tragedy May 2017 #3

The key word being "if" mythology May 2017 #13

We run into an operationalization of terms problem but I would wager ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #18

Actually, that isn't what he said. This is not unlike what some falsely attributed to Pelosi still_one May 2017 #4

Yeah, let me hold my breath for a pack of liars. WTF?? 58Sunliner May 2017 #5

That is simply not true. Investigators are examining what Kushner and a Russian banker, who doesn't still_one May 2017 #8

Lots of straw men in your post that I did not allude to. So I won't waste my breath 58Sunliner May 2017 #49

Just who do you think is going to pull his security clearance? still_one May 2017 #52

I did not distort anything. JK already violated laws. He should not have a security clearance. 58Sunliner May 2017 #58

I didn't mean you distorted anything, I meant those who are characterizing Booker as saying "Kushner still_one May 2017 #61

That sounds better... DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #10

This ain't how it normally works though zipplewrath May 2017 #27

Not true. He said we need a full investigation. What's wrong with that? n/t pnwmom May 2017 #6

+1, someone posted about the Russian word for crickets ... I'm thinking applies to a lot of the bash uponit7771 May 2017 #15

This! mcar May 2017 #19

It also is a failure to recognize that the Democrats do not have the majority in Congress, still_one May 2017 #23

He thinks there needs to be an investigation BEFORE the clearance is pulled, why is that odd?!!?!?1? uponit7771 May 2017 #14

What's really odd is CB not asking for a suspension of a security clearance from someone 58Sunliner May 2017 #59

There's usually investigations before the penalty right !? What am I missing here?! tia uponit7771 May 2017 #62

That's not what he said. George II May 2017 #47

One of many reasons I don't trust Booker. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #56

What makes you think he isn't? I just see the same-old, same-old. pnwmom May 2017 #7

That is the motivation by some for sure, and they are also distorting what Booker said. Booker said still_one May 2017 #9

+1, they're distorting what Booker said and posting it over and over again ... this his how the shit uponit7771 May 2017 #16

I am the last person to have a purity test. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #11

Booker has been. There's nothing wrong with him saying pnwmom May 2017 #12

Pretty low bar zipplewrath May 2017 #28

By his Senate voting record, Booker is just as liberal/progressive as either of them. pnwmom May 2017 #30

Relative progressiveness zipplewrath May 2017 #35

And that's the only way to measure it -- not by measuring mythical Americans pnwmom May 2017 #36

Well, actually zipplewrath May 2017 #39

It doesn't mean distorting the records of our real politicians. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #40

No, it doesn't zipplewrath May 2017 #43

It's the 2020 election, and apparently Cory Booker is a front-runner and a bunch of dirty Russians 58Sunliner May 2017 #60

+1 La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #45

I don't share your feelings towards Cory Booker. He's far too close to Wall Street for my liking. GBizzle May 2017 #17

Stop with Jill Stein bullshit already. "Hillary lost because she was a Wall Street-friendly still_one May 2017 #20

Easy. No need for hostility. I voted for Hillary Clinton, not Jill Stein. GBizzle May 2017 #21

"remember what happened last time we ran a Wall Street-friendly presidential nominee" still_one May 2017 #22

That's a stretch. I see you've stopped making up quotes out of thin air. GBizzle May 2017 #26

Anything can be blamed zipplewrath May 2017 #29

Exactly - how long after someone like Elizabeth Warren announces her candidacy.... George II May 2017 #37

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #48

"Wall Street" doesn't fund campaigns. Individual people do. pnwmom May 2017 #31

What are you trying to say here? Do you have any idea of how Federal Campaign Finance laws work? George II May 2017 #33

What is your priority? Cary May 2017 #34

I agree. Say nothing. Demsrule86 May 2017 #24

Now this I can agree with ismnotwasm May 2017 #25

I know someone who interned with him. Their response, "I saw. And rightfully so. That's disgusting!" TheBlackAdder May 2017 #32

Nonsense. Kushner used to be a Democrat and he gave the $5200 pnwmom May 2017 #41

Yeah, Trump, Kushner, Ivanka all used to be Democrats. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #42

No, loyalties don't take any precedence AFTER you leave the party. pnwmom May 2017 #44

Sure, and there's a tooth fairy too. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #50

I don't understand and the article doesn't explain how this couple pnwmom May 2017 #51

Well, there ya go. Reflect a little. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #53

... HarmonyRockets May 2017 #38

Were you also one of the people who loved to post photos of Hillary pnwmom May 2017 #46

I saw people post those Jamaal510 May 2017 #54

A lot of those postings, it turns out, may have been part of pnwmom May 2017 #55

Guilt by photo association is a unfair way to argue. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #63

I don't know how the distance could be any greater. L. Coyote May 2017 #57