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157. Let's be fair, its more than just "knowing" Kissinger in this case. This is tricky territory though,

Tue May 30, 2017, 03:05 PM

May 2017

and I'm not willing to wade in and pass judgement at this time, whether or not its okay to say nice things publicly about people who have done villainous things. Politics, at least with foreign nations, kind of requires it. On the other hand, propping up the reputation of a man like Kissinger with kind words and talks of his valuable mentoring is both problematic to me, and also entirely reasonable. People aren't one thing. There are many dimensions to them, and they all have justifications for what they do, but it is dicey territory, and it does, fair or not, reflect on the person offering up praise.

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Don't believe the people trashing Corey Booker. He's a strong progressive. [View all] pnwmom May 2017 OP

Why not go for the Senator with the #1 progressive record? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #1

She ranks highest because she just started in January -- few votes to be counted. pnwmom May 2017 #2

But for those of us in California padfun May 2017 #151

I like her a lot. But that has nothing to do with my feeling pnwmom May 2017 #154

My concern with him..... MyOwnPeace May 2017 #3

Except that he voted against her Senate confirmation. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #6

That's good, but........ MyOwnPeace May 2017 #8

Newark schools were in terrible shape. Trying vouchers wasn't an awful pnwmom May 2017 #20

Doesn't everybody have a "+" and "-" list? MyOwnPeace May 2017 #39

Sure. But the people who falsely say he is not a progressive pnwmom May 2017 #89

You had to try something. Demsrule86 May 2017 #147

Read the WHOLE story, not just select quotes. Remember, he was mayor of New Jersey's largest city.. George II May 2017 #41

George II MyOwnPeace May 2017 #62

Booker invited Christie to go on that tour of Newark, and he proposed that Christie work with him. George II May 2017 #64

Booker had no choice but to work with the Governor. Newark is not a wealthy city pnwmom May 2017 #91

That is true rpannier May 2017 #18

He voted against DeVos's confirmation pnwmom May 2017 #21

Booker will never be pure enough for the purists. Mars and Minerva May 2017 #38

It hardly pays to argue with the bumper sticker crowd rpannier May 2017 #65

No one is pure enough for the purist because if they were honest...they just don't like Democrats. Demsrule86 May 2017 #132

And most of them aren't New Jersey voters. Mars and Minerva Jun 2017 #175

That is true rpannier May 2017 #56

Charters are fine in my state because they get the same funding pnwmom May 2017 #88

The problem with charter schools doesn't change angrychair May 2017 #98

I'm proud of my two votes for him JustAnotherGen May 2017 #47

Good for you rpannier May 2017 #58

Very good. fleabiscuit May 2017 #60

Dumping someone over one issue treestar May 2017 #141

Ooops...in the immortal words of Emily Litela, "never mind"! Thanks for pointing that out. George II May 2017 #35

Hey! MyOwnPeace May 2017 #43

Off topic, but the sad part of that was several botched diagnoses in the course of her illness. George II May 2017 #46

But......... MyOwnPeace May 2017 #66

He did vote against Devos which is to his credit dsc May 2017 #169

It's been disheartening, to say the least mcar May 2017 #4

Not sure they are committed as many of us really are about tRump Crime Family. FarPoint May 2017 #30

Remember when he essentially recommended Obama be nicer to Wall Street? vi5 May 2017 #5

I agree completely with there being too much Phoenix61 May 2017 #9

+1 rpannier May 2017 #19

Ohhhh FarPoint May 2017 #40

No... vi5 May 2017 #122

There are people who come here murielm99 May 2017 #7

Exactly! FarPoint May 2017 #31

Or even blatantly misrepresent articles about Democrats or what Democrats say. George II May 2017 #42

Yup... sheshe2 May 2017 #54

Nailed it. nt fleabiscuit May 2017 #61

Amen! JustAnotherGen May 2017 #67

+1000 brer cat May 2017 #77

They sound robotic...a.comeback to everything Alice11111 May 2017 #81

You are correct. And that's sad. NurseJackie May 2017 #104

They are not that hard to spot...doom and gloom...and no Democrat meets their standards...and most Demsrule86 May 2017 #145

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #171

The Kushners hosted fundraisers for Booker and he attended their wedding. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #10

The Clintons attended canetoad May 2017 #13

So... FarPoint May 2017 #15

That really bothered me, as does the Clintons associating with Kissinger. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #53

And sharing the planet. fleabiscuit May 2017 #63

It's sad that any Democrat is OK with Kissinger. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #82

I'm not asking for anyone here to be my moral compass, and don't look to BS for his bs. fleabiscuit May 2017 #103

It is sad the some Democrats demonize other Democrats because of who they might know...Kissinger has Demsrule86 May 2017 #148

Let's be fair, its more than just "knowing" Kissinger in this case. This is tricky territory though, JCanete May 2017 #157

I don't consider Kissinger as awful as the rest of you...they were all like that back in the day. Demsrule86 May 2017 #168

He asked to please come as a favor, then he stabs them Alice11111 May 2017 #85

So? Trump was a prominent New Yorker and may have been a Dem back then... Demsrule86 May 2017 #140

Kushner had been a lifelong Democrat. Would you expect Booker pnwmom May 2017 #25

It was obvious what the Kushners were because they still are - scum. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #50

So what... FarPoint May 2017 #32

They're foul creeps, that's what. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #49

It doesn't give him a reason... Demsrule86 May 2017 #133

WTH? treestar May 2017 #144

He was a lifelong Democrat but he has left the party and joined the Trump team. pnwmom May 2017 #163

Corey Booker does not walk on water and if we can not scrutinize his record what are we? 58Sunliner May 2017 #11

We need to stay focused and united... FarPoint May 2017 #14

Mostly, yes.&Comey. We need to be able examine our own Alice11111 May 2017 #84

We just have to embrace what we got at the moment... FarPoint May 2017 #120

Yes, we are. Alice11111 May 2017 #164

Good for our site...there is way too much of what you describe, and it cost us the 16 election... Demsrule86 May 2017 #143

You may not SEE the Repubs examining themselves, but Alice11111 May 2017 #166

No they don't...the don't worry about what is wrong with themselves...they only point out our faults Demsrule86 May 2017 #167

Scrutinizing his record is fine. Distorting it is not. The people who pretend pnwmom May 2017 #23

I have not seen this distortion, only people questioning his judgment and worrying about the optics 58Sunliner May 2017 #110

He's calling for an immediate investigation. He didn't say NO pnwmom May 2017 #111

Kushner and his whole family were lifelong Democrats-lifelong weasels. 58Sunliner May 2017 #170

It's one thing to scrutinize his record, it's another (not you) to distort his record. George II May 2017 #44

Do it next year JustAnotherGen May 2017 #51

I did notice a lot of Kim G. signs out there today... Else You Are Mad May 2017 #80

I noticed JustAnotherGen May 2017 #119

I appreciate that, but do you really think CB has a problem with being out of touch with his base on 58Sunliner May 2017 #109

You mean multiple postings JustAnotherGen May 2017 #118

Actually I mean multiple postings from Booker's supporters that en masse are an effort to shut 58Sunliner May 2017 #173

Unfair bashing is NOT scrutinizing ... wow ... how many times do we have to post this?!!? uponit7771 May 2017 #68

Unfair bashing?? I am critical of his comments about not impeaching or revoking/suspending 58Sunliner May 2017 #108

Did you read Booker's exact words and the context? He's an attorney, a smart attorney, and... George II May 2017 #152

CNN: Cory Booker: 'The Russians are coming, what are we going to do about it?' TomCADem May 2017 #96

Democrats must stop eating their own and there is no need to bash Democrats , we have Demsrule86 May 2017 #135

He is ahead of Bernie on that list treestar May 2017 #146

I'm with you on this... FarPoint May 2017 #12

Yeah, the compulsion to condemn people on our side geek tragedy May 2017 #16

And sometimes obsessive. George II May 2017 #94

I won't trash any progressive elmac May 2017 #17

Of course he's not perfect but there does Cha May 2017 #22

We want better Democrats HarmonyRockets May 2017 #112

Then deal in reality.. Cory Booker isn't Cha May 2017 #113

no person is perfect...we vote for the candidate with the D next to his name in elections or Demsrule86 May 2017 #136

There are things I like about Corey Booker and some things I don't. aikoaiko May 2017 #24

He represents Jersey...this is a state where jobs depend on Wall Street...same Demsrule86 May 2017 #137

He's an operator. What's hard to figure about that? Demit May 2017 #26

That says it all. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #55

You're entitled to your opinion, and we are able to determine our own facts. fleabiscuit May 2017 #69

Link and quote him being "for himself"? tia uponit7771 May 2017 #70

Thanks so much for this, pnwmom. I get so sick of kneejerk kneecapping of Democrats by Dems. Hekate May 2017 #27

I am too. You're not alone. NurseJackie May 2017 #28

Isn't that the exact thing Russian robos did on Facebook MiddleClass May 2017 #37

But remember... GulfCoast66 May 2017 #97

I don't know much about him. He's not well known nationally. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #29

Yep. Either the Russians or the GOP are out early sabotaging democratic applegrove May 2017 #33

There are some very impressive Progressives in the top 10 of that list. George II May 2017 #34

Clever melman May 2017 #59

Sen Booker is getting the Hillary treatment... TheDebbieDee May 2017 #36

Politico - The Russians Are Coming. Again. TomCADem May 2017 #74

They've already targeted Elizabeth Warren? HarmonyRockets May 2017 #114

And who benefits from stoking the fires between conservadems and progressives? TheDebbieDee May 2017 #121

Unfortunately the smearing isn't coming only from Russian trolls, but wolves in Democrats' clothing. George II May 2017 #160

Trolls never sleep n/t billh58 May 2017 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author larry budwell May 2017 #48

Hey folks! You still have time WellDarn May 2017 #52

The purists strike again. hrmjustin May 2017 #57

Not only that but it looks like purist bullshit unfair bashing and record distortions !! uponit7771 May 2017 #71

Yep! Some that don't wish us DEMS well -are bent on coming here to sabotage our party & leaders. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #72

I agree... This is divide and conquer stuff! You would think we at DU TheDebbieDee May 2017 #76

Balked on big pharma and Kushner talking-liberally May 2017 #73

Calling for A Full Investigation of Trump's Family Is Defending Kushner? TomCADem May 2017 #75

I would suggest a little research on drug Bill. Hoyt May 2017 #79

So would I melman May 2017 #117

He didn't "balk on big pharma." Like the two progressive Senators in my state, pnwmom May 2017 #100

I don't fucking believe them ismnotwasm May 2017 #78

If you are talking about the thread I posted yesterday, MelissaB May 2017 #83

There have been many posts on different topics over the years. pnwmom May 2017 #86

As I just posted in the other thread, his answer ticked me off & MelissaB May 2017 #92

As you should. Don't let anyone bully you away from your position. WoonTars May 2017 #87

It's not fair to ignore his progressive voting record pnwmom May 2017 #93

I think that's one of my worries. He's too eager to compromise in order to "get things done"... WoonTars May 2017 #99

Look at his actual voting record and tell me where he has compromised too much. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #101

His drug vote for a start... WoonTars May 2017 #102

Yes. It's just about his Senate record. That's where he is now pnwmom May 2017 #105

Look up. nt fleabiscuit May 2017 #106

Come 20120 Plucketeer May 2017 #90

LOL. Very true. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #95

Meme of Corey Booker tonight should be sverchki (crickets in russian). applegrove May 2017 #107

Nothing to see here HarmonyRockets May 2017 #115

Do you understand that Kushner was a lifelong Democrat till pnwmom May 2017 #116

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #123

By the way WellDarn May 2017 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie May 2017 #126

Our states voters approved charter schools and there's nothing wrong with them. pnwmom May 2017 #127

I've heard all the excuses on Big Pharma WellDarn May 2017 #142

Sorry he is giving cover to a traitor. moda253 May 2017 #125

Not at all. He's said we need to get to the bottom of this and specifically pnwmom May 2017 #129

Sorry he said what he said and it came off as giving cover moda253 May 2017 #130

We have no power to impeach anyone...so Booker is right in some ways...it can't happen until the GOP Demsrule86 May 2017 #139

No he is not...and I question your motivation for saying such a thing. Demsrule86 May 2017 #149

Post removed Post removed May 2017 #128

Booker is being pre-emptively smeared in preparation TheDebbieDee May 2017 #131

Nailed it. You are correct. NurseJackie May 2017 #150

+1000 Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #134

People are thrashing Senator Booker BECAUSE he's a strong progressive. L. Coyote May 2017 #138

Booker is a great senator Gothmog May 2017 #153

It should be pointed out, that the calculations are based not on identifying progressive versus JCanete May 2017 #155

All you have to do is look at the other information on the site pnwmom May 2017 #156

how do I see the specific votes that were included? I see the breakdown of categories, but not JCanete May 2017 #158

First you click on the general category of the issue, pnwmom May 2017 #159

thanks! JCanete May 2017 #161

After looking at the specific votes of those, like Sanders, who occasionally breaks with the JCanete May 2017 #162

He is fine staying in the Senate... tallahasseedem May 2017 #165

You're entitled to your opinion, but many people in NJ disagree with you. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #172

It's not an opinion when you know what baggage will come out. tallahasseedem May 2017 #174

That probably depends on your definition of "progressive". whathehell Jun 2017 #176