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longship

(40,416 posts)
Wed May 31, 2017, 09:39 AM May 2017

TPM: With Kushner Revelations, the Worst Case Scenerio Comes into View [View all]

As always, Josh Marshall nails this.

Begin quote:
We’ve heard it claimed that this secret channel to Moscow Kushner and Flynn wanted to set up was to discuss the situation in Syria. That is simply not plausible. At least it couldn’t have been just about Syria as there are numerous legitimate ways to do that. If the conversations were about Syria and ISIS, which I find dubious, they must have included other topics which had to be hidden from the US government, the intelligence agencies and US military.

The most plausible ‘bad’ story behind the Trump/Russia mystery has always been some kind of financial preferment to members of the Trump family in exchange for lifting the sanctions put in place after the Russian annexation of Crimea and subsequent low-intensity incursions into eastern Ukraine. This wouldn’t come out of the blue. It would probably come in the context of some ‘deal’ over Syria or Ukraine or perhaps some agreement about global counter-terrorism cooperation. As I’ve written, there is a more ‘innocent‘ explanation as well. It may not be any quid pro quo. It could simply be years of doing business with Russians and people from other parts of the former Soviet Union which has made Trump inclined to see their needs in a sympathetic light. His hostility toward the sanctions regime could also be driven by the fact that, with his dependence on Russian and FSU investments and purchases, they likely hurt him directly.

This chart, let me be clear, is not a statement of fact. It is an effort to illustrate a series of patterns which are the subject, the subtext, of many of the reports about the Trump/Russia story and indeed the investigation. It looks at what each side wants, what each side seems to be getting. President Trump’s efforts to destabilize NATO and the EU are the most clear. These things are happening. The election hacking and subversion did happen. We know the Trump Organization has taken vast sums of money from Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union over the last twenty years. Whether there’s any explicit quid quo pro today is what we don’t know. When people talk about collusion, this is the pattern of actions they’re looking at and trying to confirm.
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There is a lot more at this link.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/with-kushner-revelations-the-worst-case-scenario-comes-into-view

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Self kick. longship May 2017 #1
There are days when this place is bankrupt Stinky The Clown May 2017 #6
Well, Josh Marshall does not deserve such abandonment, no matter what I post. longship May 2017 #8
No doubt Bayard May 2017 #2
No more OPs for me. longship May 2017 #3
I appreciate your effort. LOL Lib May 2017 #4
I appreciate it, my friend. longship May 2017 #5
You hit the nail on the head! LOL Lib May 2017 #9
Well, me too you, my friend. longship May 2017 #10
It can be demoralizing when a thread seems ignored Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #12
Thank you, but threads live or die by R&Ks here. longship May 2017 #16
It's always been about money. Hassin Bin Sober May 2017 #7
Thank you! Lucinda May 2017 #11
Most welcome. longship May 2017 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M May 2017 #13
Best regards! longship May 2017 #18
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k and r niyad May 2017 #14
Much appreciated, my friend. longship May 2017 #15
you are most welcome niyad May 2017 #17
The apple doesn't fall far from the criminal tree, does it? alarimer May 2017 #20
Yup! longship May 2017 #26
K&R SalviaBlue May 2017 #21
Much obliged for the support. longship May 2017 #23
Sometimes it takes awhile. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #29
Yes, but w/o support it can fall off the top page. longship May 2017 #32
Well, ya know... Kathy Griffin, Covfefe.... much more interesting I guess. SalviaBlue May 2017 #30
K&R. nt tblue37 May 2017 #24
Thx! longship May 2017 #25
Kick. dalton99a May 2017 #27
Much obliged. longship May 2017 #28
TRAITORGATE. oasis May 2017 #31
Still new FM123 May 2017 #33
All about money MFM008 May 2017 #34
I love Josh Marshall and he is definitely on it... GitRDun May 2017 #35
Well, Watergate basically killed executive privilege. longship May 2017 #38
Thanks for bringing this. Definitely a must read Arazi May 2017 #36
Josh Marshall always brings important info to the fore. longship May 2017 #39
K and R RockCreek May 2017 #37
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