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Igel

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40. The claim is being understood differently.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 05:43 PM
Jul 2012

"You don't get rich by working hard" isn't very well phrased.

It's usually, but not always, true. Some people do get work by working hard. It's just that most hard work can be done by anybody with the right muscles and pays poorly. But some people do get rich by working hard--if you understand "hard" right. I'm not sure anybody's gotten rich in the last 200 years just by digging ditches. Perhaps they dug ditches and invested; perhaps that kept body and soul together so they could do other things. Perhaps they got hurt while digging ditches and got compensated for their injuries. Or perhaps they even discovered something valuable while digging ditches. But it wasn't the ditch-digging itself that got them rich.

Statements that are "usually, but not always" true or false are difficult to work with. There's not a good causal relationship between hard work and riches.

Better put: "You don't get rich without hard work."

So not working hard usually doesn't cut it. Of course, you have to say that there's hard work other than tiring, physical labor, esp. under harsh conditions. You watch a researcher toil in front of his computer and papers, trying to get his math to work out and make heads or tails of the chemical reaction data he's looking at and, well, it's still "hard work."

Same for inventors. Even investors do a lot of hard work--not all, but many.

Yeah, you can be born rich. But then that's got "getting rich." On occasion somebody inherits money, but usually that was earned with somebody else's hard work. Even staying rich requires hard work (sometimes you can hire people to do the work for you).


What's funny in the OP, though, is the assumption that the increase in value when calculating net worth at market prices somehow came from somebody. Until it's cashed out, it's virtual wealth.

It's like the kids at a local high school where every student has to have a school-issued tablet PC. Let's assume that Pierre had a computer last year and, the day he had to return it, it was run over by a truck. It was fully covered by insurance, and he kept the stylus. Nobody wanted it. Over the summer, his stylus is worth $0. The new school year starts and he could sell that stylus for $5. There's some demand, but not a whole lot, so he holds on to it. Then, as the date when all the tablets have to be turned back in approaches, the value of the stylus goes up from $5 to $20 to $25 on the day the tablets are to be returned. His wealth has gone up 500%! But the day of tablet return he's sent to the principal's office and sits there all day. When he's released, he finds that the value of his extra stylus after tablet return is again $0. He's lost all his wealth.

Can he say somebody stole his wealth? No. Did he get his net worth of $25 from anybody? No. No money changed hands as his net worth increased; no money changed hands as his net worth plummeted.

So it was with my mother's stocks. She invested. She sat on them. The net worth went up $25k: She was ecstatic at making that much money. Then 2008 came and the net worth went down $35k, and she said she'd been robbed. She had the same stocks. Nobody had given her money, nobody had taken money from her. The valuation of her stocks changed. Period. Had she cashed out, she'd have gotten money not from workers but from other investors. Now that some of the stocks have been sold, the only people that made money off her were the people she bought her stocks from. She wants to claim that after the markets recovered that those who sold the stocks she earned "stole" money from her, but there was no guarantee the stocks would increase in value--and, in any event, she gave those sellers no money. It's those who buy the stocks at their higher value that provide the profit.

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As Someone Said, Ma'am, If Hard Work Makes You Rich, Every Woman In Africa Would Be a Millionaire The Magistrate Jul 2012 #1
The real enemy.... dtom67 Jul 2012 #2
+1 SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #5
Nope. You get rich watching OTHER people work really hard Tsiyu Jul 2012 #3
"Hard work is good for you." Usually said by rich people who don't work. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #4
Capital gains tax rate has been cut in half since Reagan took TBF Jul 2012 #6
Only the scheduled rate. The effective rate has been cut even more. Scuba Jul 2012 #30
Thanks - I'm no economist but I have read about a rate TBF Jul 2012 #35
Yep, 15% for you and me, major loopholes for the truly wealthy. Scuba Jul 2012 #56
Read this on another message board Wounded Bear Jul 2012 #7
Apparently, the people on that board have Norrin Radd Jul 2012 #43
That's been true for a few millenia FarCenter Jul 2012 #8
Hell yeah Orrex Jul 2012 #9
The great educator Paulo Freire would say that they have internalized the oppressor, because that patrice Jul 2012 #16
Excellent - exactly right. Freire was a very smart man. nt TBF Jul 2012 #37
Labor is the weakest form of wealth generation FarCenter Jul 2012 #18
I understand your philospophy, but owning real estate truedelphi Jul 2012 #63
I am so sick of the worn out cliche PatSeg Jul 2012 #10
Lucy's oldest boy treestar Jul 2012 #77
Very powerful song PatSeg Jul 2012 #78
Feel free to stand by your fire and stir your thin gruel. zoechen Jul 2012 #11
What is a good way to explain the inertia of that wealth? It's like a magnet, a black-hole, a . . . patrice Jul 2012 #12
Definitely, an object with it's own measurable gravity mojowork_n Jul 2012 #22
We also need to figure out how to attach job happiness & satisfaction to a just wage. patrice Jul 2012 #13
It's difficult, but not impossible. Steve Jobs didn't come from money, pnwmom Jul 2012 #14
Read the comments to this article to get a feeling Norrin Radd Jul 2012 #45
Thanks for the link. My husband works at a company that uses pnwmom Jul 2012 #48
You get rich by stealing billions from American taxpayers Rex Jul 2012 #15
The way to get rich (whatever that is) is by dedicating your life to that pursuit. lumpy Jul 2012 #17
unfortunately you did not prove your thesis hfojvt Jul 2012 #19
With all due respect, livingonearth Jul 2012 #20
not really hfojvt Jul 2012 #70
Neither have you. mojowork_n Jul 2012 #24
Just out of curiosity... zoechen Jul 2012 #26
Stop believing the Republican lies about the economy, for one. mojowork_n Jul 2012 #32
The claim is being understood differently. Igel Jul 2012 #40
I beg to differ. Laelth Jul 2012 #65
burden of proof does not fall on me hfojvt Jul 2012 #71
I work my ass off in the most dangerous trade in construction, and we can barely pay bills pasto76 Jul 2012 #21
Who's fault is that anyway? eom zoechen Jul 2012 #23
I guess we're not all as gifted, creative and industrious as you are. eom mojowork_n Jul 2012 #25
Who's fault is that anyway? eom zoechen Jul 2012 #27
Polly want a cracker? mojowork_n Jul 2012 #28
Yes please zoechen Jul 2012 #31
You could always add an anchovy, or six. mojowork_n Jul 2012 #33
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #36
The 5 Guys mojowork_n Jul 2012 #39
Ya I see zoechen Jul 2012 #41
Those Wendy's employees aren't paid enough to care. Norrin Radd Jul 2012 #47
Aren't paid enough to care? zoechen Jul 2012 #50
Straw man argument. No one should have to meet your opinion Norrin Radd Jul 2012 #66
"they don't even try,"--broad brush, or are you just trolling? nt raccoon Jul 2012 #60
rofl Tsiyu Jul 2012 #34
Know what I thought when I saw the thread title? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #42
Yous d00ds seem fairly smart zoechen Jul 2012 #44
Not sure what the question is but if it's along the lines of cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #52
Don't sweat it... zoechen Jul 2012 #54
And how's that working for you? Tsiyu Jul 2012 #57
It's working pretty good. I'm not rich but I'm happy. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #58
Ah...but the point was getting rich, wasn't it? Tsiyu Jul 2012 #59
I'm sorry that you have not been able to move up the ladder zoechen Jul 2012 #62
You are so adorable Tsiyu Jul 2012 #64
I bet your kids worked hard for those qualifications. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #68
I'm so amused Tsiyu Jul 2012 #72
It's the fault of a system that awards investors more SomethingFishy Jul 2012 #69
Awww...buh bye progressoid Jul 2012 #74
No you just have to be like Gates and steal Job's ideas. Little Star Jul 2012 #29
I think that this is a problem Nikia Jul 2012 #38
Every day.. the 1% get up.. and figure out a way to rip off the 99%..... lib2DaBone Jul 2012 #46
Some people bust their asses building a business and become multimillionaires. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #49
duh. k/r. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #51
more like from insider trading notadmblnd Jul 2012 #53
Why Put all of us in the same box? crimson77 Jul 2012 #55
We could start by throwing a few of the top "earners" in jail for their crimes. Initech Jul 2012 #61
At the tail end of yet another over 60 hour workweek (for 40 hrs pay) i can only say - "no, really?" peacebird Jul 2012 #67
I worked really hard... a la izquierda Jul 2012 #73
Those were the old days. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #75
My experience has been that working hard pays better dividends than not working hard. Throd Jul 2012 #76
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