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118. I know well what Kerry meant, and that he was taken our of context. Same think happened

Thu Jun 1, 2017, 04:31 PM

Jun 2017

with Hillary's deplorable comment. And while Her comment was seen as attacking the voters, Kerry's comment was seen as him having no true convictions, no firm beliefs. Like he went where the wind went and would say anything if it was convenient.

Stuff like that happens to many, most candidates. They spend hours and hours talking, so chances are high that they will say something which would have been better left unsaid and will be twisted to use against them.

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Why are people still losing their minds over Hillary? [View all] kpete Jun 2017 OP

Good article with many salient points. nt justiceischeap Jun 2017 #1

Let's fix everything she is identifying as a problem. yallerdawg Jun 2017 #2

That is such a good article. Especially the last two lines. Demit Jun 2017 #3

Agree. DURHAM D Jun 2017 #4

And secondly, she's a Clinton. maddiemom Jun 2017 #39

KnR Hekate Jun 2017 #5

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2017 #6

It's because they can't stand intelligent women. athena Jun 2017 #7

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #29

Yep, I am bookmarking this. stevenleser Jun 2017 #8

Gore retreated after the defeat and grew a beard, if I recall. wildeyed Jun 2017 #12

Apparently John Schindler Thinks She Should Just Shut Up Me. Jun 2017 #32

Gore and Kerry both ran worse campaigns than Clinton. wildeyed Jun 2017 #9

Kerry exceeded model results karynnj Jun 2017 #17

If I recall correctly frazzled Jun 2017 #24

He Was A Terrible Candidate Me. Jun 2017 #34

To each his own - I think he is a powerful figure, who when he chooses to speak karynnj Jun 2017 #59

Yes...To Each His Own Me. Jun 2017 #65

I watched the full speeches on CSPAN - he did lay out plans karynnj Jun 2017 #40

I remember trying to persuade a friend who was on the bubble to vote Kerry. wildeyed Jun 2017 #82

Kerry was very bad at messaging. wildeyed Jun 2017 #79

Your memory is shaky karynnj Jun 2017 #92

If a candidate can only get his point across in NYT longform articles wildeyed Jun 2017 #104

He won the debates - which required short answers. karynnj Jun 2017 #112

I saw Kerry on the stump and he was great (and his speech went unreported by local media) LisaM Jun 2017 #81

Clinton had media support? Seriously? She didn't get much coverage, much less suport lunamagica Jun 2017 #109

It was considerably worse as it was seen as attacking voters karynnj Jun 2017 #114

I know well what Kerry meant, and that he was taken our of context. Same think happened lunamagica Jun 2017 #118

Nah BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #30

She is a woman. athena Jun 2017 #48

Who on earth cares? BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #62

Wow. athena Jun 2017 #71

You just did what I complained about the media doing. wildeyed Jun 2017 #87

What message? BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #94

But you started with her character. wildeyed Jun 2017 #101

"A very bright woman without the courage of her convictions." BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #106

Oh please, give me more quotes by privileged white men wildeyed Jun 2017 #108

Oh, right, it's a guy saying it so, no-go BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #110

Yep. wildeyed Jun 2017 #115

You win no points attacking Kerry to make the case that it was all misogyny in 2016 karynnj Jun 2017 #10

But he wasn't PERSONALLY attacked the way Hillary Clinton is attacked. wildeyed Jun 2017 #15

The SBVT attacked Kerry on a personal level karynnj Jun 2017 #18

absolutely true, and Sinclar Media helped propagate that BS. I think the point still_one Jun 2017 #26

I suspect that is because HRC has always been both more promoted by and more critiqued by the media karynnj Jun 2017 #51

Every since Hillary presented her healthcare plan in 1993, for whatever reason, it was still_one Jun 2017 #52

I suspect it started even earlier - in the 1992 campaign karynnj Jun 2017 #58

No point to split hairs on this, but I personally believe the negative coverage was still_one Jun 2017 #61

that was odious, but he was considered a nut job even in Indiana karynnj Jun 2017 #66

That was opposition. wildeyed Jun 2017 #76

Kerry was not vilified for some of the things that HRC was personally vilified for ehrnst Jun 2017 #19

Kerry was told not to run in 2008. karynnj Jun 2017 #23

The point of the article is to compare reactions to the losing candidates AFTER the election. Demit Jun 2017 #41

Gore left the country after the SC gave a race he had actually won to Bush karynnj Jun 2017 #56

I don't know why you feel the need to give us extended readings of past campaigns Demit Jun 2017 #67

The reason was to DISPUTE the article karynnj Jun 2017 #68

Yes. Also the CBC rightfully challenged the election fraud and Boxer stood with them in 2004. suffragette Jun 2017 #57

I was active at the time and distinctly remember #7, Roger Morse louis-t Jun 2017 #63

Yes, they falsely pretended to be angry voters, but it was an engineered 'riot' done to shut suffragette Jun 2017 #64

This has been the pattern ever since she was 1st lady of Arkansas. TexasProgresive Jun 2017 #11

Bingo. Her lack of apology for her qualifications made her "entitled" because she's a woman.(nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #20

The hatred the media holds for this noble woman mcar Jun 2017 #13

I got to learn how much many 'liberal' men I know secretly disrespect women. wildeyed Jun 2017 #90

K&R betsuni Jun 2017 #14

Because none have the integrity to own up to the part they played in electing Trump. n/t seaglass Jun 2017 #16

Bookmarking 10X Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #21

Hillary haters are still chewing the bait/misinformation provided by Putin and our rabid right. Lil Missy Jun 2017 #22

Yep. They are as guilty of gullibility Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #31

When Hillary was a candidate, PatSeg Jun 2017 #25

A year or so ago I believe Rachel Madow made the observation that if Hillary had still_one Jun 2017 #27

Yes PatSeg Jun 2017 #46

well said.......... still_one Jun 2017 #47

"Sure, she cured cancer, but what about her emails?" wildeyed Jun 2017 #97

I just recall PatSeg Jun 2017 #98

Excellent. And we know why. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #28

So obvious, yet some will go to their graves denying the misogyny. SaveOurDemocracy Jun 2017 #33

K&R WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #35

Because those who live in convfefe houses shouldn't throw covfefe Tiggeroshii Jun 2017 #36

Obama was gives 220 min of air time. Hillary, just 32 min mhw Jun 2017 #37

The media also spent a lot of time talking about her meow2u3 Jun 2017 #43

Yes. Hillary's 32 min of airtime was interrupted by commentary critiquing every word she said. mhw Jun 2017 #45

They will continue this as long as she lives radical noodle Jun 2017 #38

Great, more of the circular firing squad that costs Democrats election after election. Les Cowbell Jun 2017 #42

Unfortunately painful examination is something we need to do. ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #49

Painful examination? Les Cowbell Jun 2017 #55

Attacks on Hillary are in part ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #83

what's always amusing to me: JHan Jun 2017 #102

Yes--I've always found those comments interesting ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #117

This is why Democrats lose Les Cowbell Jun 2017 #113

You knocked down a fairly mild article. I simply responded ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #116

Everyone loves a witch hunt. forgotmylogin Jun 2017 #44

We have to believe that Obama is as fucked-up as Trump? That Guy 888 Jun 2017 #50

Hillary "telling it like it is": bad. oasis Jun 2017 #53

The problem is that the media has always... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #54

Palin did not challenge our society's sexism the way HRC does every day. athena Jun 2017 #72

All a cover. Orsino Jun 2017 #60

"ferociously hostile to women in positions of power" Martin Eden Jun 2017 #69

Even on the AUMF, she was just going with the flow. Orsino Jun 2017 #70

I agree with you. athena Jun 2017 #73

Slightly less than half the combined Dems in the House & Senate voted for the IWR Martin Eden Jun 2017 #74

And what if it hadn't? athena Jun 2017 #78

Congress isn't supposed to give away its exclusive power to declare war. Orsino Jun 2017 #80

Thanks for twisting my argument. athena Jun 2017 #91

Your being against the war doesn't matter. Orsino Jun 2017 #96

It was those who voted for Nader who failed us. athena Jun 2017 #100

Nader voters were insignificant... Orsino Jun 2017 #120

I remember very well. I was here at DU. Martin Eden Jun 2017 #84

Congratulations on being so perfect. athena Jun 2017 #95

Nice little tantrum Martin Eden Jun 2017 #105

Obama only ran in '08 because of that vote, IMO BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #89

The enthusiam for Howard Dean was based on his opposition to the Iraq War Martin Eden Jun 2017 #99

My enthusiasm for Dean was because he was the only Dem who didn't wildeyed Jun 2017 #107

I got so angry with a segment on Meet the Press yesterday lovemydogs Jun 2017 #75

Great post - Completely agree. Andrea Greenspan knows exactly what she is doing, attempting c-rational Jun 2017 #77

and people, even progressives, are going to rant and scream and deny to their last breath that niyad Jun 2017 #85

This article is every damn thing. bookmarked. JHan Jun 2017 #86

Many misogynists don't realize that they are misogynistic rock Jun 2017 #88

I don't honestly give a shit, and I don't think Hillary does either. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #93

Thank you for that post! athena Jun 2017 #103

K&R. What a great article. Bookmarked The ending paragraph says it all TY, Kpete! lunamagica Jun 2017 #111

IT IS RUSSIA AND FAKE NEWS. If Ted Kennedy were still alive Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #119