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In reply to the discussion: Susan Sarandon Explains The Positives for Progressives of President Trump [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)113. I only disagree with what you say by degrees. Its complicated and I appreciate your arguments.
I have a couple of rebuttals and clarifications to my own, but for now, I just want to
appreciate that we can have this conversation without all of the demonizing that typically comes with it. I don't think Dems are bad or the main problem. I'm frustrated with their response to the problem and I feel like in some huge ways, rather than to fight it, they have perpetuated it, perhaps unintentionally, but a case can be made on both sides of that. Its worth weighing the best arguments critically, but generously. Assuming the worst intentions of those on either side of this issue isn't helpful.
After all, if the case really can be made that it is the Stein voters, etc. who got Trump elected, then bashing them for their horrible decision isn't necessarily what we should be doing. Its not what they should be doing either. We should be appealing to each other based upon our acceptance that we basically want the same things and that we just have different ideas about what it takes to get there.
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Susan Sarandon Explains The Positives for Progressives of President Trump [View all]
TomCADem
Jun 2017
OP
It's a metaphor to remember because the revolution was telling women and POC to wait too....
bettyellen
Jun 2017
#4
The VANITY of "destroy to rebuild" ... she ignores the LIVES that will be lost. She's so STUPID!!
NurseJackie
Jun 2017
#63
She's the anti-Cassandra: wrong about everything that's going to happen in the future.
betsuni
Jun 2017
#15
exactly, not a gamble I was okay with taking myself, but I understand the logic, which is not
JCanete
Jun 2017
#18
"Pain and suffering is coming anyway"? Excuse me, Hillary was NOT the lesser of the two evils.
still_one
Jun 2017
#34
The odds are if those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary, had pulled their
still_one
Jun 2017
#44
no it isn't false equivalency. I think we're headed off a cliff. The democrats often tac us...
JCanete
Jun 2017
#71
gee, only two things. How sad. The Iran nuclear deal, opening relations with Cuba, preventing a
still_one
Jun 2017
#81
Saving the american car industry isn't progress, its staving off disaster that was the result of
JCanete
Jun 2017
#91
We passed the ACA on party lines. That means it wasn't better because of people in our own party.
JCanete
Jun 2017
#159
Yes...the Stupak amendment cost us single payer and yet Sen.Sander endorsed a guy who bragged about
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#162
Yes, the argument is precisely that she would rather have more pain and suffering versus less.
DanTex
Jun 2017
#51
She forgets history. Too much "pain and suffering", people get lined up against a wall.
haele
Jun 2017
#70
She obviously has. I'd love to tell her that with her being an actress, the firts thing that comes
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#87
I disagree with you. It is that situation. Democrats have not taken on the forces that have
JCanete
Jun 2017
#74
i don't think the view is that things are so bad they can't get worse. At least it wasn't mine when
JCanete
Jun 2017
#80
I think the argument of mine you are missing, is that the Democrats aren't effectively taking on big
JCanete
Jun 2017
#93
I don't see how that has anything to do with Sarandon's justification for supporting Trump.
DanTex
Jun 2017
#94
Fair enough. I was talking about ways in which the Democrats have not been doing the right
JCanete
Jun 2017
#96
I only disagree with what you say by degrees. Its complicated and I appreciate your arguments.
JCanete
Jun 2017
#113
oh, to this point...I actually think there are a couple things that are harder to come back from. I
JCanete
Jun 2017
#102
That is a check you privlege argument and the willingness to sacrifice others is quite astounding
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#59
Thank you...I can't stand people who sacrifice others for their ideology...which is what the
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#112
what about when people sacrifice people, to the tune of 100,000 for political expedience? nt
JCanete
Jun 2017
#115
how about anybody who voted for the Iraq invasion, which killed 100,000 Iraqis.
JCanete
Jun 2017
#158
Hahah...you mean like most Democrats who were there at the time? A big who cares.
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#163
no fucking way. There were plenty of people telling the truth at the time, in the know, and calling
JCanete
Jun 2017
#171
all of this was in the context of you saying you can't understand people sacrificing people for
JCanete
Jun 2017
#178
no it isn't. It would be if you thought choosing a different path would be better for those who
JCanete
Jun 2017
#75
she doesn't give a damn about others suffering...she needs a revolution so she can feel alive...
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#111
That's not the idea I'm putting out there. People are being crushed, perpetually. Trump comes along
JCanete
Jun 2017
#114
I always think that those who hold this view are those who will not be affected, like SS
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#82
The so called left of left or whatever they call themselves share the GOP's indifference towards
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#142
ICAM. I'm just baffled to encouner this coldness and indifference to the suffering of the most
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#160
Like I said, she's part of the Trump coalition, so it makes sense that people would talk about her.
DanTex
Jun 2017
#126
Well, this is a political message board, where people express opinions about political topics.
DanTex
Jun 2017
#133
Obviously, when I'm posting on DU, I'm not knocking on doors, and neither are you.
DanTex
Jun 2017
#135
"raving lunatics of the Bolshevik" - got any specific examples or is this just
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2017
#43
Yeah, she gets a giant tax cut if he gets his heinous tax bill through doesn't she?
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#32
"the American public is learning a valuable lesson". What a bunch of bullshit. How many people
still_one
Jun 2017
#33
That is a straw man argument. When an accident occurs, a determination is done to find its cause,
still_one
Jun 2017
#60
Ah...we came damn close to losing our Republic during the great depression.
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#144
No, democracy is on fire you fucking idiot. But hey, go make some of those champagne popsicles.
JTFrog
Jun 2017
#55
Ahhh... the voice of PRIVELEGE. So glad she can AFFORD the LUXURY of "destroy to rebuild".
NurseJackie
Jun 2017
#62
no mincing of words there Jackie. Her 50 million dollar net worth privelege that
still_one
Jun 2017
#66
She is a nut. She isn't the Cornell West stretchy eyes type of nut, but a nut none the less. nt
Blue_true
Jun 2017
#84
Do not care what she has to say, unless it is "I'm profoundly sorry for my stupidity."
6000eliot
Jun 2017
#92
Do you, or a child of yours (if you have any) depend on the ACA to stay alive?
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#98
Obviously they are ignorant, and they will pay for it. Many will pay for it with ther lives
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#100
Just as I figured you (hopefully) like SS will not be personally affected by this
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#103
Really? There is nothing to say to a post that thinks Trump is a good thing.
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#145
I'm glad she came down from her tower to explain to the peons why "It's a good thing!"
RhodeIslandOne
Jun 2017
#105
I simply pointed out that Gandhi was willing to risk his life for the movement.
thucythucy
Jun 2017
#154
And this was two months ago! Just imagine what would happen if Colbert had her on again, now!
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2017
#107
the Colbert appearance was 2 months ago, when she was doing promos for her Bette Davis thing
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2017
#167