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58. Book's thesis overreaches
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:55 PM
Jul 2012

The argument is a bit sloppy too. It uses a social construction, race, to group people together genetically. The fact that west and east africans succeed and fail at mirror image sports is proof that "black" is not the right concept to use. The author also uses some sleight of hand to say that all major running records are held by Africans (true for men) and uses this as evidence of his thesis (false). The 1500/mile records are held by Hicham El Guerrouj, who is not black. The claim isn't even remotely true for women. Non-africans (genetically speaking) own the 400/800/1500/mile/3000 records as well as the half & full marathon. So in other words only the women's 100/200 and 5k/10k are held by africans. For the author's argument to be convincing this must be explained.

My point in all this is not to say that a genetic difference doesn't exist. The decades of dominance by black athletes in the sprints is impossible to ignore--only 2 non west african (genetically) men have broken 10s in the 100m dash. My points are that black athletes don't "dominate sports", they dominate some sports and that the term "black athletes" itself is flawed due to the significant genetic differences among black athletes, in particular West and East Africans.

I think based on stereotypes its easy for americans to believe that black athletes dominate sports. After all "white men can't jump" and "the great white hope", right? Never mind that the current men's world high jump champ is a white american and that only one of the top 5 high jumpers in history is black. That one black jumper happens to be the best ever but if that wasn't the case might we be talking about the european dominance in the high jump and asking why black men can't jump? That probably sounds absurd to any american but that's only due to our cultural expectations and not due to the actual history of high jump performances.

Our Atlanta Peachtree Race on July 4th RebelOne Jul 2012 #1
That's a distance race and the winners were East African. mathematic Jul 2012 #31
lol. Boy you are just stoking it, aren't you. Solomon Jul 2012 #2
I'm stoking nothing, MadHound Jul 2012 #7
You're saying The Bell Curve was just about sprinting performance? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #16
Umm, you didn't read my post did you. MadHound Jul 2012 #22
The idea of the documentary is that selection during slavery had an effect muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #23
Umm, what documentary are you talking about? MadHound Jul 2012 #40
The documentary Johnson presented, which the article you linked to was about muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #43
Heh. Busted. Now I understand the rec count for this OP Number23 Jul 2012 #54
Perhaps you should read. Indydem Jul 2012 #3
Perhaps you should read as well, MadHound Jul 2012 #5
Really? "He" said that?? Indydem Jul 2012 #6
Jimmy the Greek said it and got fired. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #4
It is not wrong to discuss it. Logically. Some people just want to complain about everything. Logical Jul 2012 #8
It was very much survival of the (physically) fittest coupled with extremely un-natural selection. Schema Thing Jul 2012 #9
Did Hitler's genocide result in smarter, survival oriented Jews? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #10
+1 Coexist Jul 2012 #11
That wouldn't be a good comparison muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #21
Arguably, yes. Look at today's Israel. They take no shit from anyone. Electric Monk Jul 2012 #28
of course Jews dominated basket ball before Hitler hmm.... Johonny Jul 2012 #34
It's not wrong HotRodTuna Jul 2012 #24
Different populations do seem to have different capabilities in sports. Marr Jul 2012 #12
Look at what people spend time doing. ananda Jul 2012 #13
IMO continuing institutionalized racism provides African-Americans with incentives ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #14
No, not slavery cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #15
It's all bullshit JonLP24 Jul 2012 #57
Wheaties, it should be obvious. 2on2u Jul 2012 #17
OMG RegieRocker Jul 2012 #18
It's probably not selective breeding for slavery taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #19
Nope. Still racist. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2012 #20
Then logically african populations in the new world would be superior 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #25
+1! uponit7771 Jul 2012 #37
Forget melanin content, look at body type. You will see that it has nothing to do with color or Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #26
At world-class levels we see people who have been selected to be especially good in their sports Retrograde Jul 2012 #67
Must also explain why Canadians are usually the best hocky players. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #27
Canadians were selected for Hockey 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #29
That is better than any recent SNL writer has produced, don't ya know. jonthebru Jul 2012 #66
Culture is a huge part mathematic Jul 2012 #35
Culture plays a large part. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #48
+1! uponit7771 Jul 2012 #38
Mike...Thank your African ancestry of chasing gazelles. Seriously. vaberella Jul 2012 #30
IMO it's not genetic at all. It's not NATURE, it's 'NURTURE' by racism ProgressiveEconomist Jul 2012 #32
then why did the Chinese win more gold medals in the last summer games? Johonny Jul 2012 #33
Kicking for ignorance. cwydro Jul 2012 #36
Due to my Nordic ancestry I have been genetically selected for raping and pillaging XemaSab Jul 2012 #39
I thought Archie Bunker was long gone? n/t retread Jul 2012 #41
IMO Mr Dixon Jul 2012 #42
Trading Places? This is your basis for relating race to performance? JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2012 #44
lol Mr Dixon Jul 2012 #45
to repeat what many are saying, it is not slavary per se, it is who in the Americas were enslaved AngryAmish Jul 2012 #46
Other way around. Their athletic skills is what made them desirable as slaves - lynne Jul 2012 #47
Wow! ProSense Jul 2012 #49
Book by John Entine mzteris Jul 2012 #50
Book's thesis overreaches mathematic Jul 2012 #58
Fail. Not much more to this. bluerum Jul 2012 #51
I think a lot of it is cultural Nikia Jul 2012 #52
He might a as well argure that it was their proximity to caucasians that makes them fast runners. The Midway Rebel Jul 2012 #53
Who cares who says it? JonLP24 Jul 2012 #55
I remember Oprah saying, in agreement with her guest that Maraya1969 Jul 2012 #56
Remember - Murray, Herrnstein and their ilk are not biologists or geneticists. entanglement Jul 2012 #59
How many generations of selective breeding does it take to change the genetics of a plant? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #60
why do whites perform better than other racial groups (overall) - look at weightlifting shotput type Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #61
Subsaharan Africa has a very diverse population FarCenter Jul 2012 #62
Sub-Saharan Africans were not the point of the OP. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #63
No, it has to do with wha tis valued loose wheel Jul 2012 #64
No. Next? flvegan Jul 2012 #65
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