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Calista241

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38. This kind of vast conspiracy is just not possible.

Fri Jun 2, 2017, 03:14 PM

Jun 2017

This is America. Our government can't keep a secret to save its life.

And you expect the Russians; a government with a fraction of the financial resources ours has, recruiting from the same group of people, to incentivize and maintain thousands of agents, spread out all over he country, doing illegal shit, and not a single one of them has been caught.

One of those people would be on tv, spouting off about how he hoodwinked all these people, and he'd have a book deal. Russia isn't paying them millions, that detail would be caught up by other agencies. If 10,000 new millionaires showed up tomorrow, with no believable explanation about how they came into that money, the news, the IRS, and the FBI would be having a collective freak out.

And i don't believe you couldn't recruit the kinds of people required (with the technical skills and lack of moral conscience) for this type of operation, with just a thousand or a few thousand dollars.

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So they RIGGED our fucking election...HACKED our voting machines [View all] LaydeeBug Jun 2017 OP

History will absolve me malaise Jun 2017 #1

truth will out. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #6

Yes, it will! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #80

Has been all alone, but the intentionally blind don't want to see. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #89

i'm not sure anymore. not as long as american history gets rewritten by limbaugh and a few certainot Jun 2017 #105

Yes, it will! -We know! We see. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #81

Does anyone remember Obama's saying that the machines were not hacked? femmocrat Jun 2017 #2

Facts can surface.... which may not of been detected initially... FarPoint Jun 2017 #3

Three days before he left office, he was discussing the results of the election Samantha Jun 2017 #18

I never believed it when they said Russia didnt affect the vote count. They dont just Amaryllis Jun 2017 #20

it didn't have to be the russians.... tomp Jun 2017 #75

Very good point one seldom hears!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #76

Absolutely! They stole 2000 and 2004. I think it was an unholy alliance; Russia and GOP and Trump Amaryllis Jun 2017 #97

If the hack into the county's voting system, they can "deregister" specific voters. SharonAnn Jun 2017 #106

Wrong Abouttime Jun 2017 #21

Spot on. See post #22. Amaryllis Jun 2017 #25

Any Trump supporter who refuses to renounce him should be " removed from society"? Removed how? Marengo Jun 2017 #27

Removed, yes. Before they start a race war. Abouttime Jun 2017 #62

How do we identify those who need to be jailed? Arrests and examinations based on party affiliation? Marengo Jun 2017 #63

What we have here is a budding civil war Abouttime Jun 2017 #68

Understood, but I'm asking how do we identify and isolate the dangerous Trump supporters before... Marengo Jun 2017 #87

I find it very hard to believe that tens of thousands of people in Bettie Jun 2017 #59

i don't know where you heard that, but 99.4% of ballots cast in Detroit had a vote for president Takket Jun 2017 #67

My mistake, it was state wide, there were roughly 37k more undervotes than Bettie Jun 2017 #98

Then ..why the silence on the crime? FarPoint Jun 2017 #79

I would like links to references for this jimlup Jun 2017 #91

The fact that there's absolutely zero evidence and no Democratic officials agree with you mythology Jun 2017 #28

Evidence: Amaryllis Jun 2017 #29

Oh my! Delphinus Jun 2017 #85

I just started keeping a list whenever I run across a good article so I have them to post when Amaryllis Jun 2017 #96

FBI conducting criminal probe into alleged cyber attack of Kennesaw State U Center for ELection ... Amaryllis Jun 2017 #45

You raise a good point. Captain Stern Jun 2017 #73

i'm not allowed to say what i really think about obama on this website... tomp Jun 2017 #74

US Officials Go Public on McConnells Threat To Obama If He Exposed Russia Before Election Hestia Jun 2017 #83

I hate the cheating most of all. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2017 #4

Unfortunately they've already begun setting up the next election for their permanent rule. mhw Jun 2017 #5

I was thinking that earlier this morning ... can Trump block Comey. Each day, we RKP5637 Jun 2017 #77

I don't see anything in there about voting machines. Amishman Jun 2017 #7

I don't see anything about the machines, either. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2017 #8

there was physical access and as any one knows Stargazer99 Jun 2017 #9

I don't believe any states had machines connected, and most can't have internet connections Amishman Jun 2017 #16

To a "meaningful degree" is "logistically impossible"? LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #11

Coupla points. byronius Jun 2017 #12

Is this the junk Palmer was putting out after the election? Amishman Jun 2017 #17

No 'Palmer junk' involved. byronius Jun 2017 #34

I'm wondering how you feel about this now, since the NSA bombshell today. byronius Jun 2017 #108

I still don't think voting machines were tampered but I do want code reviews now to be safe Amishman Jun 2017 #109

Well-spoken. byronius Jun 2017 #110

+1000. Here: Amaryllis Jun 2017 #22

Oregon, WA and CA have pretty clean elections. CA use to have a lot of problems but have had Amaryllis Jun 2017 #23

+1000. byronius Jun 2017 #31

If you're going to make an exceptional claim, you need to provide a citation mythology Jun 2017 #33

Well, I'm working today. byronius Jun 2017 #36

Really?? Abouttime Jun 2017 #58

Where in Wisconsin did tabulators switch votes? forthemiddle Jun 2017 #78

Could you provide a summary of the sources jimlup Jun 2017 #92

Isn't it possible to hack the totals? Lonestarblue Jun 2017 #13

Thousands of russian agents on the ground here, or at least hundreds. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #26

How can we identify the agents working on the local and state level? Marengo Jun 2017 #30

Very difficult, in some cases they are born here. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #32

Maybe start by investigating the personal finances of all local and state elections workers. Marengo Jun 2017 #39

This kind of vast conspiracy is just not possible. Calista241 Jun 2017 #38

You are naive Abouttime Jun 2017 #71

The Germans in WW2 didn't have today's mass media or the internet. Calista241 Jun 2017 #100

The OP is making that part up. Why? Who the fuck knows, but they ruin their credibility beaglelover Jun 2017 #56

Tonight we make Putin a prime time celebrity... LakeArenal Jun 2017 #10

K and R. This must be repeated often. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #14

We are always so quick to defend our right to vote mountain grammy Jun 2017 #15

Democrats need to start using the correct word: "COUP." WinkyDink Jun 2017 #19

K&R!!!! There is an ongoing attempt to install a dictatorship with GOP one party RKP5637 Jun 2017 #82

Republican business people own the standingtall Jun 2017 #24

and therein lies the heart of the problem: why would they ever stop cheating? 0rganism Jun 2017 #35

Right. They got away with it in '00 and nothing was done. They are getting away with it now lunamagica Jun 2017 #37

Has there been any discussion of Russian operatives registering multiple voter identities... Marengo Jun 2017 #40

No, because it didn't happen... brooklynite Jun 2017 #43

How do you know it didn't happen? Marengo Jun 2017 #46

Because when Trump said illegal voters voted for Clinton, every SOS said he was an idiot? brooklynite Jun 2017 #49

Russian agents would say that, wouldn't they? Marengo Jun 2017 #64

So Democratic Secretaries of State are Russian agents? brooklynite Jun 2017 #70

If Russian agents have infiltrated our election system to the degree the other poster seems... Marengo Jun 2017 #86

Thank you for establishing this as a conspiracy theory worth ignoring. brooklynite Jun 2017 #93

and....yet....here you are. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #103

No, that's not plausible given the nature of our decentralized electoral system. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #52

"hacked the election" does not mean "rigged the voting machines" brooklynite Jun 2017 #41

Finally some facts - where does he say they hacked the machines? jmg257 Jun 2017 #42

exactly, how do we know the brexit deal wasn't hacked also. okieinpain Jun 2017 #44

Thank you! LoveMyCali Jun 2017 #47

No hacking of voting machines. applegrove Jun 2017 #48

You'll never convince these folks... brooklynite Jun 2017 #50

That runs counter to the fantasy many on DU need to believe. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #51

It's a lot like that Bill Maher bit, "I can't prove that it's true, but I just know it." femmocrat Jun 2017 #53

Maybe you should direct your energy to the resistance and less to conspiracy theory. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #54

"then" not "than" femmocrat Jun 2017 #55

Don't grandstand and then turn petty because I disagree with you. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #57

Unfortunately what is there to motivate the Republican Congress to do anything about this? AntiFascist Jun 2017 #60

Russia elected trump and owns trump Gothmog Jun 2017 #61

yeap YCHDT Jun 2017 #65

As a country Underground-Panther Jun 2017 #66

K&R betsuni Jun 2017 #69

Nerd here Daxter Jun 2017 #72

... and to add to this, none should ever use a free VPN. Some make that mistake as they abound on RKP5637 Jun 2017 #84

Unlike Kushner and Trump, this is not Putin's "first time to the rodeo"... AntiFascist Jun 2017 #102

"The election will be rigged folks" WinstonSmith00 Jun 2017 #88

So I don't think we have any hard evidence that they rigged the actual voting machines jimlup Jun 2017 #90

Why do we need hard evidence when the allegation fits our preconceived ideas? brooklynite Jun 2017 #104

Well that's certainly true enough jimlup Jun 2017 #107

Here is my same post in another thread on this- I can't see how direct hacking was possible Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #94

Retire from IT usaf-vet Jun 2017 #95

History... read history.. defacto7 Jun 2017 #99

Well spoken. byronius Jun 2017 #101