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Generic Brad

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7. That is a heritage to be ashamed of, not celebrated

Sun Jun 4, 2017, 01:28 PM

Jun 2017

It always baffles me why the majority of people who defend Robert E Lee's legacy think their revisionist history bullshit is OK. It's as if they believe we can be convinced their ancestors (and I suppose them by proxy) are honorable people. I have relatives I am not particularly proud of but I do not erect monuments to them or identify with and justify their misdeeds. I am not them. If he was a prick who defended the indefensible, then that is what he was. Suck it up and don't be like him.

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The Myth of the Kindly General Lee. [View all] Cattledog Jun 2017 OP

General Lee had a propensity to crash, too Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #1

You win the thread. LOL Lib Jun 2017 #27

Plus, of course, he was a traitor to his country. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2017 #2

More complicated than that NobodyHere Jun 2017 #13

It's always been presented as complicated, and that PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2017 #14

Yes, yes, and yes. CanisCrocinus Jun 2017 #15

Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2017 #17

Yet the Union armies ended up pillaging and looting NobodyHere Jun 2017 #18

And that excuses the beliefs and actions (and the apologism for) white Southern history how? YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #23

Are you blaming Lee for starting the Civil War? Yupster Jun 2017 #28

No, I am not blaming him for starting the Civil War. I know perfectly well he did not start it. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2017 #32

That should have been decided in court Yupster Jun 2017 #26

I prefer the Specific Lee. Lint Head Jun 2017 #3

I prefer the Sara. Scurrilous Jun 2017 #5

And nobody doesn't like Sara Lee. Lint Head Jun 2017 #10

Yoo hoo. It's me. My name is Pinky Lee Achilleaze Jun 2017 #12

but specifically, which one? virtualobserver Jun 2017 #9

Christ did not have slaves. delisen Jun 2017 #4

And they would say you are performing mental gymnastics. Mariana Jun 2017 #25

Lee owned slaves. That's all I need to know to condemn him. Hoyt Jun 2017 #6

B-b-but he was a NICE to his slaves! He treated them well! YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #19

Lee was professional army Yupster Jun 2017 #29

Lee still owned slaves, himself (up until 1852) and his spouse. Not releasing them, "dragging feet" Hoyt Jun 2017 #30

So you condemn all the founders of the country. former9thward Jun 2017 #33

Actually, I do have a problem with men who talked of freedom & liberty and went home to beat/rape Hoyt Jun 2017 #34

I will wait until you list the perfect people. former9thward Jun 2017 #36

Beating and raping of slaves is hard to overcome with other "virtues." Hoyt Jun 2017 #40

Fine, who are the perfect people? former9thward Jun 2017 #41

Once one owns slaves and beats/rapes them, they are just Charles Manson of Timmy McVeigh to me. Hoyt Jun 2017 #42

adams and franklin owned slaves, who knew dsc Jun 2017 #35

So they were perfect in their lives? former9thward Jun 2017 #38

I never said that dsc Jun 2017 #39

That is a heritage to be ashamed of, not celebrated Generic Brad Jun 2017 #7

A lot of their descendants aren't honorable people either to be honest. YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #21

"Tribe and race over country is the core of white nationalism" UTUSN Jun 2017 #8

What other war could he fight besides a conventional war? A guerrila war KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #11

It wasn't his decision anyway Yupster Jun 2017 #24

It's funny. If you try to Google up an image of General Lee, MineralMan Jun 2017 #16

Lee only did one thing that makes him worthy of remembering. When he surrended and lost, he quit FSogol Jun 2017 #20

Fuck the neo-Confederates, fuck the "Lost Cause", and fuck the WHITEwashing of this evil history. YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #22

My middle road: SomethingNew Jun 2017 #31

He was an odd duck in many ways. GallopingGhost Jun 2017 #37

"when half the country rose up in rebellion in defense of slavery" billh58 Jun 2017 #43