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TomCADem

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30. They Have Gone the Jill Stein/Susan Sarandon Neoprogressive Route

Sun Jun 4, 2017, 02:08 PM

Jun 2017

Neoprogressives continue to bash and attack Democrats other progressives even though the far right holds all major branches of power and, in fact, push right wing talking points from a "left-leaning" perspective. The amazing thing is the degree to which they give Trump and Republicans a free pass on the very same points they attack Democrats.

For example, they:

1. Attack the investigation of Trump's Russian Oligarch support as being a product of the "Deepstate."
2. Cheer the possible repeal of the ACA arguing that this will lead to a single payer system.
3. Find hope in Trump's Presidency, because it will lead to civic engagement.
4. Attack Democrats for not being sufficiently populist as a reason why they lost, which suggests that Trump and Republicans are the one's selling a populist pro-worker platform.

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I'm confused about TYT [View all] packman Jun 2017 OP

Didn't they kind of get exposed as being part of the RT Russia tools operation? underpants Jun 2017 #1

Shillin for RT..go poot! mhw Jun 2017 #3

TYT has nothing to do with RT. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #8

Yes. elleng Jun 2017 #11

That mob is trying to hang Thom Hartmann with the same rope. Unbelievable. nt Snotcicles Jun 2017 #18

Right, one of the 'others' I referred to earlier. elleng Jun 2017 #22

Except Hartmann accepts a check from the Kremlin every payday. Adrahil Jun 2017 #24

I'll make my judgement based on the content of his program thank you. Snotcicles Jun 2017 #32

Exactly. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #38

Yes, and thanks. I was about to go there myself. nt Snotcicles Jun 2017 #42

Who would accuse Maddow as being a shill for anyone? OilemFirchen Jun 2017 #82

The point went right over your head. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #83

Yeah. Go with that. OilemFirchen Jun 2017 #99

Why is that point hard for you to grasp? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #148

My goodness! OilemFirchen Jun 2017 #155

It was fairly clear. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #159

That's progress, I guess. OilemFirchen Jun 2017 #166

Wait, what? Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #168

My fault again? OilemFirchen Jun 2017 #171

Thanks. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #157

Ignore them. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #162

but,but when did you last hear Maddow talk net neutrality? Single payer? snowy owl Jun 2017 #131

Never. She only talks about Russia these days. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #134

We agree. She is so overrated. No one mentioned Schultz on RT. A so-so effort. snowy owl Jun 2017 #152

YES. elleng Jun 2017 #44

Then you are doing exactly what Putin wants Adrahil Jun 2017 #46

So you think those of us who listen can't be selective in who we listen to? snowy owl Jun 2017 #128

Use RT? Not possible. bettyellen Jun 2017 #198

Yes! LOL Lib Jun 2017 #58

Do you listen to him, elleng Jun 2017 #45

I believe Hartmann is syndicated. rickford66 Jun 2017 #55

Exactly. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #63

So you shoot the messenger instead of listening to the message? snowy owl Jun 2017 #126

Tom Hartman has defended Russia on his show...I no longer listen to him. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #150

So you think it better to not be heard than to be heard? Take the $$-be heard. snowy owl Jun 2017 #179

I will not enable the Russians to destroy Western Democracy by listening to Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #185

Politico's Take...if we keep this up, we lose again. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #36

Anything to avoid taking an honest look at the party's, and its candidate's mistakes n/t markpkessinger Jun 2017 #127

We can't contol everything the Repubs do; we can control Alice11111 Jun 2017 #183

Yes, we do, but sadly . . . markpkessinger Jun 2017 #189

...& now, dangerously, w our High Chair King Alice11111 Jun 2017 #190

Politico? Aren't they basically tools for RT? Bucky Jun 2017 #141

Thank you!!!!! choie Jun 2017 #136

So is Thom Hartmann SHRED Jun 2017 #19

Some have suggested so. elleng Jun 2017 #23

That is ludicrous SHRED Jun 2017 #26

Yes it is. elleng Jun 2017 #29

Pay attention to who they attack. Relentless attacks on democratic politicians. nt Blue_true Jun 2017 #2

+ a million. mhw Jun 2017 #4

Their twitter feed appears to be a relentless Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #7

Right, where I want to be. elleng Jun 2017 #10

Right...how about this tweet...this is why I have nothing to do with propaganda Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #186

I was discussing TYT, not RT. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #199

I absolutely had no use for the TYT even before they lied about Maxine. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #207

that's not true. That may be all you hear, but it's nowhere near the truth. They have criticisms JCanete Jun 2017 #61

... and there you have it! That is correct! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #123

Front Organization for Russia Anti-Democracy Movement delisen Jun 2017 #5

How so? Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #14

Politico:Dems need to call themselves out,not Russia, to win Alice11111 Jun 2017 #40

Because taking advice from ornotna Jun 2017 #130

Hell will freeze over before I take advice from Politico Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #208

I almost forgot ...the constant demonization of Hillary lead to a wonderful Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #209

She was outrageously demonized and it was damaging. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #212

We can't control those who will take their ball and go home if they don't get their way Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #213

Jill Stein can also "seem" progressive and a "liberal." Look at what she DOES, pnwmom Jun 2017 #6

Did you mean Jill Stein? (nt) question everything Jun 2017 #15

Yes, thanks! pnwmom Jun 2017 #173

"Critics have still questioned the name of the news company" rickford66 Jun 2017 #172

IMO, Jill Stein was a Putin enabler too. She &Flynn both sat Alice11111 Jun 2017 #184

source/link, please to facts about where Jill Stein gets her money and facts about the recount nt diva77 Jun 2017 #192

You can see that she's sitting in Russia at the table. She didn't fund that herself. pnwmom Jun 2017 #193

sorry, these ongoing attacks on Stein are lacking in credible support. diva77 Jun 2017 #194

There are laws governing recounts in every state. This was always going to be pnwmom Jun 2017 #195

until I see credible evidence and a link I remain unconvinced by your arguments. diva77 Jun 2017 #196

Open Secrets reports she raised about $3.7 million during her entire campaign, pnwmom Jun 2017 #197

Stein is trash...she pretended that a recount might work which I knew it wouldn't Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #210

It is in no way a republican crap hole station. elleng Jun 2017 #9

I noticed that too. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #12

Yes, and we struggle to find 'acceptable' positions and candidates. elleng Jun 2017 #16

Agree 100%. nt Quixote1818 Jun 2017 #35

Cenk used to be a Republican. Now he claims to be a progressive. pnwmom Jun 2017 #178

Elizabeth Warren used to be a Republican. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #200

Hillary stopped being a Republican when she left home and went to college. pnwmom Jun 2017 #201

So Warren and Jeffords? Enemies? Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #205

Media Bias/Fact check calls them left-leaning, mostly factual Maeve Jun 2017 #13

Thanks. elleng Jun 2017 #17

Exactly. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #20

Good to hear you've watched so much; I haven't. elleng Jun 2017 #21

Thank you. nt Quixote1818 Jun 2017 #43

Who is Media Bias/Fact Check? Why do you think they are trustworthy? Demit Jun 2017 #57

It is simply another option Maeve Jun 2017 #60

I don't know what your last sentence means. Demit Jun 2017 #73

I never said I considered them an authority Maeve Jun 2017 #78

Small operation...I don't think they are very credible. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #211

Nah, the way they acted all of 2016- Hard F*cking Pass for me. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #25

Yep. Trump's little helpers, weren't they? Squinch Jun 2017 #27

Yep! Their hate-foam dripping towards HRC & DEMS- while almost zilch on Trump? Screw that. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #37

What are you taking about. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #41

Am sure very convincing after a year of vicious attacks on HRC! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #50

They weren't big fans of Clinton. They said so. They also said that she was far better than Trump, JCanete Jun 2017 #69

Nah they were vicious! -until the point they advocated for voting for her in the GE. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #76

Do you understand how primaries work? Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #87

I know how they work and I know what cannot be taken back. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #93

Cenk endorsed Hillary one or two days before the election. Classic passive aggressive bettyellen Jun 2017 #106

That is incorrect. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #109

He officially endorsed her Nov 4. Saying not Donald before that does not count. bettyellen Jun 2017 #111

Well stop lying and I will stop accusing you of such. Nt. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #112

Video dated Nov 4: https://m.youtube.com/watch?vjSqgRTTtNpA bettyellen Jun 2017 #114

Voting for and endorsing are two different things. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #117

You can't reason with the Clinton devotees. It's a waste of time. snowy owl Jun 2017 #140

View points are the enemy. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #142

Cenk endorsed Hillary Nov 4. tammywammy Jun 2017 #113

He said that he is voting for her on Nov. 4 not that he endorsed Her on Nov. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #115

Here is the Nov 4 endorsement, delete your lies please . bettyellen Jun 2017 #116

In context: Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #118

He "announced his decision" 4/5 days before the election in that video. That's not in dispute. bettyellen Jun 2017 #122

I don't... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #124

Both have been discussed in TYT. Which is why I rarely watch except for laughs. bettyellen Jun 2017 #125

Actually they haven't! Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #129

Giving the Seth Rich crap credibility makes them worthy of ridicule bettyellen Jun 2017 #139

What are you talking about. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #144

They're not the only hosts, and you know it. Goalposts! bettyellen Jun 2017 #149

They are the main hosts. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #154

LOL, NBC and BBC isn't anything like TYT. They actually report, ha ha . bettyellen Jun 2017 #160

I was not comparing TYT to the BBC Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #161

You made a load of comparisons so ridiculous, it matters not. bettyellen Jun 2017 #169

Good for you. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #170

zilch? HaHa ThirdEye Jun 2017 #203

We are very good at eating our own SHRED Jun 2017 #28

Thanks, SHRED. elleng Jun 2017 #31

Can someone PLEASE tell that to TYT too? LOL! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #39

I think we need to call them out directly SHRED Jun 2017 #47

Yay! I hope some of their fans will do that. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #52

Nope, I find them intellectually inconsistent and think this is an appropriate venue to discuss that bettyellen Jun 2017 #119

They Have Gone the Jill Stein/Susan Sarandon Neoprogressive Route TomCADem Jun 2017 #30

Jill Stein should be investigated. She sat at the Putin table Alice11111 Jun 2017 #48

Many on DU have turned against them because they were not fans of the DNC Quixote1818 Jun 2017 #33

Wow, I think Jimmy is a total nutter. Between the group they take turns bashing Dems till no one bettyellen Jun 2017 #72

He has become a total nutter. I use to like him. nt Quixote1818 Jun 2017 #84

Was he once sane? Well I guess he's another sellout. That plus GOP $$$ makes them unreliable... bettyellen Jun 2017 #85

Can no longer listen to Dore, but love Ben Mankiewicz and Michael Schure nadine_mn Jun 2017 #97

I'm so over Jimmy Dore Saviolo Jun 2017 #191

Nah, too much shitting on Dems, while emulatorloo Jun 2017 #102

TYT was initially funded by a GOP donor heaven05 Jun 2017 #34

specifically by somebody with very negative things to say about money in politics on the Republican JCanete Jun 2017 #62

I still don't know heaven05 Jun 2017 #70

I don't know if the money in politics posture is actually done in good faith? bettyellen Jun 2017 #74

Romer may have his own agenda...I don't know him well enough. If he thinks funding non-corporate JCanete Jun 2017 #77

Are they stepping in for the WaPo or doing anything more than interviews and opinions? bettyellen Jun 2017 #79

I find them to be far more nuanced than most pundits, to be honest. They have clear biases, JCanete Jun 2017 #86

That's funny, I see a resurgence of investigative journalism like we've not seen in 30 years.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #88

But covering news isn't the only thing that pundits do. They talk about the state of the nation, JCanete Jun 2017 #89

I reject the idea that Cenk and company are honest or insightful. I think they're repetative and bettyellen Jun 2017 #92

You need to be more specific. The TYT isn't uniform in its thinking. Cenk just did a very soft-ball JCanete Jun 2017 #94

Cenk does a lot of passive aggressive faint praise editorializing ... bettyellen Jun 2017 #95

It was not initial funding (correct me if I'm wrong) ThirdEye Jun 2017 #204

You do realize that he got $4 million from Buddy Roemer, don't you? Still confused? George II Jun 2017 #49

So, what is your point? Quixote1818 Jun 2017 #51

So what is YOUR point? He's a republican who fought the Democrats when he was... George II Jun 2017 #53

Romer was very down on the GOP's own problem with money in politics, stating so unequivocally in an JCanete Jun 2017 #65

Talking about getting rid of money in politics is not getting money out of politics. His party.... George II Jun 2017 #68

Fuck that, I did not get a shot at Clinton or Booker. If you look at my recent posts about Booker JCanete Jun 2017 #71

OR his big issue is promoting a so-called progressive who criticizes Democrats pnwmom Jun 2017 #98

He was never liberal before he sold out. Republican/Libertarian leaning sexist pig actually. nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #54

"WikiLeaks: This Obama Administration Is Brought To You By Citigroup" ucrdem Jun 2017 #56

I've never heard of it being called a Republican craphole station -nt Bradical79 Jun 2017 #59

Good recap of TYT! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #177

I used to watch him on current tv kimbutgar Jun 2017 #64

where did you find that out, or did it just appear in a post here? Where's the article saying RT JCanete Jun 2017 #66

Saw it in some comments here at DU kimbutgar Jun 2017 #67

I never saw that. I've seen their coverage mirror RT closely though... as well as bettyellen Jun 2017 #90

The Young Turks is mostly public funded. One single GOP donation at this point, represents a JCanete Jun 2017 #91

I have always thought... Charlotte Little Jun 2017 #75

Don't let the hoards confuse you. MuseRider Jun 2017 #80

Did you see the TYT "reporter" swarm on Maxine Waters and then accuse her of shoving him? George II Jun 2017 #81

TYT isn't just Michael Tracy, nor is Maddow by association, Scarborough. TYT seems to have one JCanete Jun 2017 #96

Well put. Nt. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #101

Yeah, there's also Jimmy Dore. Hannity's partner emulatorloo Jun 2017 #104

Yeah they veer heavy into some crazy shit sometimes. I question their credibility. bettyellen Jun 2017 #121

Never said they were, they're also Uygur, Ana Kasparian, et. al. George II Jun 2017 #108

Yeah his little stunt to "prove" Waters is the "same" as Gianforte emulatorloo Jun 2017 #105

Most of DU liked TYT very much before the primary aikoaiko Jun 2017 #100

Follow the cheddar Thrill Jun 2017 #103

TYT will do what makes it the most $$. being on RT has some sort of financial benefit nt msongs Jun 2017 #107

TYT is not and has never been on RT. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #110

I think they pushed RT stories on TYT not appeared on RT. bettyellen Jun 2017 #120

The difference being is that... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #132

So your comparing RT with one of the most reputable news orgs in the world- the BBC? Seriously? bettyellen Jun 2017 #137

So a state owned media company can be reputable? Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #138

Wow, that's the biggest hunk of false equivalency in a thread filled with them. bettyellen Jun 2017 #143

rt is the mouth piece of one man, putin. that is different from public funding for bbc which is JI7 Jun 2017 #147

Comparing BBC to RT??? Chevy Jun 2017 #163

So if RT reports on a story Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #164

If you don't know the difference Chevy Jun 2017 #165

Would you include Noam Chomsky in that group? snowy owl Jun 2017 #176

They employ that racist douche Michael Tracey Chevy Jun 2017 #133

I'm with you, Packman choie Jun 2017 #135

Don't be confused. Anyone telling you TYT is Republican or RT is delusional. Bucky Jun 2017 #145

See below from the New York Times. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #153

I don't think you understood my comment Bucky Jun 2017 #156

Not your fault at all...my fault. Sorry. I should have read more carefully especially when it was Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #188

Of course RT is propaganda.So US media.Compare anything US with Canadian. snowy owl Jun 2017 #158

Clearly the Hartman et al does not control the agenda. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #187

Nope, Republican craphole...one of them accused Maxine Waters of shoving him... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #146

Cenk is authentic. And he left the Rs for the Ds long ago. I respect him and his fight. snowy owl Jun 2017 #151

Sure you do Chevy Jun 2017 #167

So we have to be your Democrat? That's democratic, isn't it? I'm in the progressive wing Big D. snowy owl Jun 2017 #174

Destroying democrats like Maxine Waters etc Chevy Jun 2017 #181

There is a reason why we have primaries. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #175

Never said anything about primaries Chevy Jun 2017 #182

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #180

But every Democrat who runs for office has to be, 6000eliot Jun 2017 #206

They may not align perfectly with the democratic party ThirdEye Jun 2017 #202