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hunter

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36. Pepper spray and knives release my inner berserker.
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jun 2017

I'm a pacifist by necessity, not by natural inclination. I don't tell those stories here because they are sad and my inner idiot strong. I identify somewhat with Captain Piccard of the Starship Enterprise who lost his heart in a barroom altercation, although I'm nowhere near as wise as Piccard yet, only as bald and gray.)

The thing about random violence is that it happens quickly. People don't generally figure out what's happening until after they've been shot, knifed, or run over by a vehicle.

Seriously, what's your defense against a vehicle that suddenly turns onto the sidewalk? Maybe wear a helmet and full body armor wherever you go?

The "defense" industry is bullshit on all scales, from an individual carrying pepper spray to a navy fielding aircraft carriers. It's ALL offensive in the end.

Guns for "defense" are especially stupid. "Bad guys" shoot first and they are reckless and sometimes suicidal too, otherwise they wouldn't be bad guys. Cops carry guns and they still get shot. They also shoot a lot of people for no good reason. Once the guns come out, everything is fubar. It doesn't matter who is holding them.

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That the terrorists were using knives and vehicles kinda emphasizes their options were limited too. Pholus Jun 2017 #1
You cannot even carry PEPPER SPRAY B2G Jun 2017 #3
No, it isn't if you don't want it to be. Then again, I am trying to picture the situation and Pholus Jun 2017 #6
They really should make it much easier to buy guns EarlG Jun 2017 #2
This isn't about guns B2G Jun 2017 #4
You can't possess a knife? A chunk of brick? A bat? No hands or feet? uppityperson Jun 2017 #34
No knives, bats, pepper spray, etc. nt B2G Jun 2017 #37
Wrong. Pocket knives are legal. uppityperson Jun 2017 #38
Exactly.... HipChick Jun 2017 #5
Some of you are missing the point of the OP Calculating Jun 2017 #7
Thank you. B2G Jun 2017 #8
Strangely the terrorists had no access either.... Pholus Jun 2017 #9
AND the UK does NOT have even HALF the murder rate of Gun-totin, pepper sprayin' rustydog Jun 2017 #10
* A factor of 4 lower murder rate. Pholus Jun 2017 #11
Violent crime in the UK is up 27% B2G Jun 2017 #12
And yet still vastly smaller than ours. LanternWaste Jun 2017 #24
Duh, they need a smaller murder rate. They have fewer people Bucky Jun 2017 #32
I like UK's gun laws. If for no other reason, criminals seldom have access to handguns. Hoyt Jun 2017 #13
They also have that nasty trend recently of acid in the face attacks Bucky Jun 2017 #30
defend yourself in the UK? mitch96 Jun 2017 #14
Pepper spray is illegal in the UK sarisataka Jun 2017 #16
Ok, bug spray it is... mitch96 Jun 2017 #23
Yeah, but there are things just as good a pepper spray folks can carry, if they actually feel the Hoyt Jun 2017 #28
I'd Carry A Cricket Bat Everywhere JimGinPA Jun 2017 #15
You would be facing two years in prison sarisataka Jun 2017 #18
Then carry this, it's also useful for UK weather. Hoyt Jun 2017 #29
And they get to make that decision. It's their country. politicat Jun 2017 #17
My daughter is in London, still she feels safer there than in the gun-wielding states of the U.S. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #19
I've never felt unsafe in the UK. cwydro Jun 2017 #20
Lucky You MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #31
The fact that you feel the need to go armed for self-defence... Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #21
They seem to get by with their fists pretty well Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #22
Here's what you actually do: RUN AWAY! MineralMan Jun 2017 #25
Great advice, even when carrying. SQUEE Jun 2017 #35
It's important we believe your tough shit about other countries LanternWaste Jun 2017 #26
And yet, look at their homicide rate. DanTex Jun 2017 #27
Small spray bottle full of ammonia. JoeStuckInOH Jun 2017 #33
Pepper spray and knives release my inner berserker. hunter Jun 2017 #36
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