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12. No thanks. Books sometimes contain heresy and false doctrine.

Mon Jun 5, 2017, 02:11 PM

Jun 2017

I'll stick to Twitter. Only there can one find the truth.

But seriously, you're right. It's a much better book than one would expect from the rabid denunciations of it here. The tone is pretty calm, sometimes even sympathetic for Sec. Clinton, a smart candidate who couldn't catch a lucky break at some critical times. The campaign's over-reliance on analytics is an important thing to take into 2018, as well as the need for a direct and compelling rational for running.

I don't think any one book can give us the whole truth, but this one can certainly provide part of the picture.

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Shattered: It's not the book many here thought it was. [View all] Kentonio Jun 2017 OP

Sounds like this Yellow Dog Dem. needs to read that northoftheborder Jun 2017 #1

I thought it was open and honest, elleng Jun 2017 #2

No kidding BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #49

No thanks, I'll wait for Hillary's book if I feel the need for any post mortem beyond what I already seaglass Jun 2017 #3

Not sure what agenda you think they're spinning. Kentonio Jun 2017 #4

This agenda: seaglass Jun 2017 #6

Yep. That says it all. kcr Jun 2017 #47

yep bigtree Jun 2017 #48

Sure wouldn't know it (is not a hit piece) Control-Z Jun 2017 #8

My assumption that campaign geared towards women MiddleClass Jun 2017 #5

Some of that is fairly close Kentonio Jun 2017 #10

Why don't you share some of the hard words the authors had to say about Bernie? n/t seaglass Jun 2017 #7

I'd like to see that. Control-Z Jun 2017 #9

They were by no means soft on Bernie. Kentonio Jun 2017 #11

No thanks. Books sometimes contain heresy and false doctrine. QC Jun 2017 #12

Indeed. I certainly came away feeling like I had a much better insight into Hillary's personality. Kentonio Jun 2017 #14

I'm glad to hear it ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #13

You can read it without spending a dime crazycatlady Jun 2017 #15

I am horrible ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #20

mine tells me how much I save by using it crazycatlady Jun 2017 #21

I used to love libraries ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #25

Yes, it talks a fair bit about both sexism and racism. Kentonio Jun 2017 #16

Yeah, I am a feminist and I see everything through that lens ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #19

That really wasn't the point of the book. It's not a broad cultural examination of "why she lost" Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #39

data models are only as accurate as the data that gets collected and only as useful geek tragedy Jun 2017 #17

Your last sentence is so true crazycatlady Jun 2017 #22

Bingo zipplewrath Jun 2017 #23

part of it is cyclical geek tragedy Jun 2017 #24

The answer is Hillary was a shoo-in and Bernie only ran because nobody else had the guts BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #27

worth asking why Clinton was a shoo-in. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #28

Because she had the black vote locked up, and the hispanic vote was not far behind BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #30

We may still have gotten lucky. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #32

Fully agree BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #35

at this point Democrats need to avoid reinventing the wheel geek tragedy Jun 2017 #38

People have probably had enough entertainment for now BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #41

exactly, there's no substitute for good candidates geek tragedy Jun 2017 #42

Well, she did come close to Obama in 2008. She then added to her resume as SoS. She had high seaglass Jun 2017 #31

Same reason in retrospect it was a mistake to run Gore in 2000. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #34

Not sure why you would think any Dem would have a chance in a change election so we put the best seaglass Jun 2017 #37

Bernie would have been a change candidate. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #40

I don't know what the change was about Bernie. In any case we are dealing in the real world where seaglass Jun 2017 #43

what's done is done. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #44

Yes, I agree with that. I do hope Bernie and Joe quickly and publicly rule out a run for 2020, I seaglass Jun 2017 #45

There's actually an interesting section of the book about Joe. Kentonio Jun 2017 #46

May read it when it hits the Dollar Store emulatorloo Jun 2017 #18

I agree. It wasn't a hit piece. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #26

That's how I approached it too. Kentonio Jun 2017 #29

Thanks for your insight Kentonio... JHan Jun 2017 #33

Yeah, good luck with that. Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #36

K&R BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #50