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30. Because she had the black vote locked up, and the hispanic vote was not far behind

Mon Jun 5, 2017, 04:19 PM

Jun 2017

A lifetime of real work went into that; she had earned it. Plus black Democrats, older ones at least (you know, voters) were going to reward her for nominating Obama in '08 and serving as his SoS. Add her base white vote (not to mention her fundraising capabilities) and you were looking at pretty forbidding odds, to put it mildly.

I was hoping that she wouldn't have run at all, given the mood of the country, but once she decided it was a go (as if it ever wasn't) I understood why so many people stayed on the sidelines. They weren't just looking at defeat, they were looking at professional isolation (to your point about fear).

I also thought Trump was the only Republican she had a chance to beat. Maybe Cruz, too. So we got lucky there. I thought.

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Shattered: It's not the book many here thought it was. [View all] Kentonio Jun 2017 OP

Sounds like this Yellow Dog Dem. needs to read that northoftheborder Jun 2017 #1

I thought it was open and honest, elleng Jun 2017 #2

No kidding BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #49

No thanks, I'll wait for Hillary's book if I feel the need for any post mortem beyond what I already seaglass Jun 2017 #3

Not sure what agenda you think they're spinning. Kentonio Jun 2017 #4

This agenda: seaglass Jun 2017 #6

Yep. That says it all. kcr Jun 2017 #47

yep bigtree Jun 2017 #48

Sure wouldn't know it (is not a hit piece) Control-Z Jun 2017 #8

My assumption that campaign geared towards women MiddleClass Jun 2017 #5

Some of that is fairly close Kentonio Jun 2017 #10

Why don't you share some of the hard words the authors had to say about Bernie? n/t seaglass Jun 2017 #7

I'd like to see that. Control-Z Jun 2017 #9

They were by no means soft on Bernie. Kentonio Jun 2017 #11

No thanks. Books sometimes contain heresy and false doctrine. QC Jun 2017 #12

Indeed. I certainly came away feeling like I had a much better insight into Hillary's personality. Kentonio Jun 2017 #14

I'm glad to hear it ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #13

You can read it without spending a dime crazycatlady Jun 2017 #15

I am horrible ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #20

mine tells me how much I save by using it crazycatlady Jun 2017 #21

I used to love libraries ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #25

Yes, it talks a fair bit about both sexism and racism. Kentonio Jun 2017 #16

Yeah, I am a feminist and I see everything through that lens ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #19

That really wasn't the point of the book. It's not a broad cultural examination of "why she lost" Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #39

data models are only as accurate as the data that gets collected and only as useful geek tragedy Jun 2017 #17

Your last sentence is so true crazycatlady Jun 2017 #22

Bingo zipplewrath Jun 2017 #23

part of it is cyclical geek tragedy Jun 2017 #24

The answer is Hillary was a shoo-in and Bernie only ran because nobody else had the guts BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #27

worth asking why Clinton was a shoo-in. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #28

Because she had the black vote locked up, and the hispanic vote was not far behind BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #30

We may still have gotten lucky. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #32

Fully agree BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #35

at this point Democrats need to avoid reinventing the wheel geek tragedy Jun 2017 #38

People have probably had enough entertainment for now BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #41

exactly, there's no substitute for good candidates geek tragedy Jun 2017 #42

Well, she did come close to Obama in 2008. She then added to her resume as SoS. She had high seaglass Jun 2017 #31

Same reason in retrospect it was a mistake to run Gore in 2000. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #34

Not sure why you would think any Dem would have a chance in a change election so we put the best seaglass Jun 2017 #37

Bernie would have been a change candidate. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #40

I don't know what the change was about Bernie. In any case we are dealing in the real world where seaglass Jun 2017 #43

what's done is done. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #44

Yes, I agree with that. I do hope Bernie and Joe quickly and publicly rule out a run for 2020, I seaglass Jun 2017 #45

There's actually an interesting section of the book about Joe. Kentonio Jun 2017 #46

May read it when it hits the Dollar Store emulatorloo Jun 2017 #18

I agree. It wasn't a hit piece. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #26

That's how I approached it too. Kentonio Jun 2017 #29

Thanks for your insight Kentonio... JHan Jun 2017 #33

Yeah, good luck with that. Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #36

K&R BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #50