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TomVilmer

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141. Sorry, but statistics are not helping here...

Wed Jun 7, 2017, 04:31 AM

Jun 2017

"Without a recount, all we can do for now is look for any meaningful difference ... we checked the six other states with a margin between Clinton and Trump of less than 10 percentage points that use a mix of paper and machine voting: Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas and Virginia. For each county in those states, we looked at Clinton’s vote share and whether it was associated with the type of voting system the county used ...
We found no apparent correlation between voting method and outcome in six of the eight states, and a thin possible link between voting method and results in Wisconsin and Texas. However, the two states showed opposite results..."
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/

"National Security Administration Director Adm. Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey: Russian activities had no impact on tallying votes in states."
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/fbi-nsa-no-evidence-russia-manipulated-us-vote-tallying/

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You Do Realize They Probably Changed The Election Results [View all] SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 OP

Not yet, but drip by drip, it will all come out. Patience is a virtue so they say. monmouth4 Jun 2017 #1

I agree, but the problem is.. BamaRefugee Jun 2017 #30

with a complicit and treasonous Republican Party. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2017 #71

Totally agree that .... LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #106

We need paper ballots with itcfish Jun 2017 #169

I don't think so. The "govt" will NEVER admit Russia was successful. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #121

Funny thing about that faith is, the fix is to actually fix the elections. Crash2Parties Jun 2017 #137

And why wouldn't citizens lose faith in our election system? YOHABLO Jun 2017 #146

Yes and this is why we must demand the truth and justice. delisen Jun 2017 #2

Seemed a lot like the "Kerry flip" of 2004 Greybnk48 Jun 2017 #3

Or the Gore purge of 2000 YCHDT Jun 2017 #7

Gore was a little less blatant, but horrible nevertheless. Greybnk48 Jun 2017 #39

If the Supreme Court hadn't stolen the election for him the Florida legislature would have. (eom) StevieM Jun 2017 #200

Volusia County. That was the first electronic hack. ElementaryPenguin Jun 2017 #63

PA was like that for Trump and Toomey IronLionZion Jun 2017 #26

I read somewhere....... SergeStorms Jun 2017 #133

and Nate Silver showing HRC winning Marthe48 Jun 2017 #58

I've known that it was only a matter of time TheDebbieDee Jun 2017 #4

They fucked with the voter rules just like they did in Florida in 2000 !!! That's something NO ONE YCHDT Jun 2017 #5

I sensed it by 8 PM election night. The election was stolen. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #6

The fact that somebody took down DU suggests that they didn't want any quick Baitball Blogger Jun 2017 #14

Yes, they did not want us to check in real time. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #18

+1000. byronius Jun 2017 #20

+1 musette_sf Jun 2017 #29

+1 n/t jaysunb Jun 2017 #36

+1 (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2017 #79

1,000. times yes. suffragette Jun 2017 #101

this mopinko Jun 2017 #105

WOW DU went down ?!?!?!? YCHDT Jun 2017 #109

Yup progree Jun 2017 #119

THAT'S some scary shit ! Makes this all the more real, of course cut the left off from communicating YCHDT Jun 2017 #122

Gee, funny, isn't it. calimary Jun 2017 #118

YAS! There were motherfuckers here saying DU isn't big enough to bother with LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #129

LOL! Baitball Blogger Jun 2017 #150

CORRECTION: They WERE Moscow mules that night! Raster Jun 2017 #163

absolutely! nt LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #182

Absolutely a key piece of evidence Justice Jun 2017 #138

It was organized and coordinated to happen on election day IronLionZion Jun 2017 #148

+1000 Raster Jun 2017 #162

DITTO! 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #107

THANK YOU. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #8

No just of the president but of some house and senate races too. And I want it put back to the way Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #9

Knocking voters off voter rolls is every Ilsa Jun 2017 #10

Yep..... SergeStorms Jun 2017 #136

Two words... kag Jun 2017 #157

Your country who espouses democracy at every turn should arthritisR_US Jun 2017 #11

lol Russian hackers are everywhere m.summers Jun 2017 #12

Russia made it their business to be everywhere. Lot cheaper than a war. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #21

LOL. 5 posts. Russian hackers ARE everywhere mainer Jun 2017 #22

+1 trentwestcott Jun 2017 #80

nice joke m.summers Jun 2017 #81

And trolls too IronLionZion Jun 2017 #27

LOL, eh? SammyWinstonJack Jun 2017 #51

It's just another massive conspiracy by the NSA and the deep state... .99center Jun 2017 #82

LOL. Fuck off, Putinbot. Maven Jun 2017 #103

weak eShirl Jun 2017 #154

Fuck yes, they did. Baitball Blogger Jun 2017 #13

May I ask......? suston96 Jun 2017 #15

Russians din't need to fix the vote counts, Republicans had that covered already. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #16

THIS +100,000,000...and who can forget Walden O'Dell's famous line from 2003 fundraiser diva77 Jun 2017 #75

OH 2004 was 70% punch card. That was the problem. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #97

Interesting - did not know that. Thanks for info. diva77 Jun 2017 #104

The powers that be want people to believe triron Jun 2017 #17

"Frankly" speaking SHRED Jun 2017 #84

I agree with you get the red out Jun 2017 #19

I've known since election night. librechik Jun 2017 #23

And they forgot the 2006, 2008 and 2012 elections? mythology Jun 2017 #24

No, They Didn't Forget SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #42

I love Hillary, but the DNC was dysfunctional. Both her Alice11111 Jun 2017 #62

This again? If the election was stolen...the DNC is not at fault. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #142

Distinguish between the many differt factors. It isn't one Alice11111 Jun 2017 #179

Hillary campaigned furiously in Pennsylvania and her ads were everywhere. StevieM Jun 2017 #201

Didn't Michael Moore warn us about rust belt voters going for trump and njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #68

Local office holders alerted the campaign. loyalsister Jun 2017 #83

Yes! It doesn't mean they didn't cheat, they did. The DNC Alice11111 Jun 2017 #181

Absolutely. He went on every show possible, even an options Alice11111 Jun 2017 #180

He did say that and people here savaged him for him. n/t QC Jun 2017 #192

Hillary campaigned furiously in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Both candidates scaled back their StevieM Jun 2017 #198

2016 True Blue American Jun 2017 #177

Hillary campaigned furiously in Pennsylvania. (eom) StevieM Jun 2017 #199

Diebold voting machine - how they can be hacked on 30 seconds iluvtennis Jun 2017 #25

2000 started the whole thing benld74 Jun 2017 #28

Yep - and still nothing has been done to fix it. We've had 3 people screwed out of the presidency kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2017 #38

It's Merely Coincidence That Voting Machine Companies Are Owned By Repubs SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #43

Need to say it with zest,,, benld74 Jun 2017 #114

I definitely think Michigan was stolen. Tatiana Jun 2017 #31

Every single voting machine in Michigan MichMary Jun 2017 #56

Only 40% of Michigan's precincts were re-tallied. There wasn't a full hand-counted recount. Tatiana Jun 2017 #60

Based on these figures MichMary Jun 2017 #65

Yes, the "extra" votes found in Wayne County were most likely for Clinton nt MichMan Jun 2017 #77

We can defeat Agent Orange when more truth comes out about this election n/t AntiFascist Jun 2017 #32

Quote workinclasszero Jun 2017 #33

No, I don't BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #34

Yes & Yes SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #45

Here's where we're at BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #47

Unsupported conspiracy theory... brooklynite Jun 2017 #35

The NSA report made it clear in several places that this was POSSIBLE. pnwmom Jun 2017 #41

I wouldn't go that far Bradical79 Jun 2017 #93

This is why believe that States Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #37

This is brilliant! crud Jun 2017 #86

Haven't voters living in States that played by the rules Mme. Defarge Jun 2017 #111

Yep. EXIT POLLS DON'T LIE! Do you think Putin was content to run a respectable 2nd place? ElementaryPenguin Jun 2017 #40

repub Spin - You Can't Rely On Exit Polls SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #48

You said it well, SoCal. ElementaryPenguin Jun 2017 #53

Yep - the exit polls were pretty much on. They match the results well. jmg257 Jun 2017 #49

Of course they did. Lil Missy Jun 2017 #44

I would give it better than a 50/50 chance based on the low probability Trump was supposed to Quixote1818 Jun 2017 #46

EXACTLY! SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #52

That bugs me treestar Jun 2017 #95

More and more info emerges - so maybe there will be actual proof of it. jmg257 Jun 2017 #50

Russia Will Suffer Our Wrath? SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #54

Oh yes - our election was repeatedly, blatantly cyber-attacked by a dangerous adversary. jmg257 Jun 2017 #55

Well, I said it the MORNING after the election, that simply there are WAY more of us Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #57

I'll never forget the stunned looks on the faces of most of the election experts that night... ElementaryPenguin Jun 2017 #59

Part of the collusion was Trump campaign telling Russians which counties to hack in swing states ElementaryPenguin Jun 2017 #61

Da. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2017 #64

Absolutey it was eerily similart to 2004. They call it a red shift. You're sittng there watching and Amaryllis Jun 2017 #66

Trade that extra "t" in for an "l." n/t rzemanfl Jun 2017 #88

Stolen election.. mountain grammy Jun 2017 #67

Interesting, isn't it? Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #69

"the system is rigged!" jpak Jun 2017 #70

Solution: paper ballots, hand counts. Done. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2017 #72

Need Some Kind Of Evidence DallasNE Jun 2017 #73

Yep, they couldn't have flipped them to Trump, that would have been to hard to Dream Girl Jun 2017 #76

There were not 70K in Wayne county MichMan Jun 2017 #85

I'm Seeing Very Different Results DallasNE Jun 2017 #131

I didnt list the absentee, just those from election day MichMan Jun 2017 #194

What My Totals Were Showing DallasNE Jun 2017 #204

"Mathematically Possible" does not equal Really Happened lol MichMan Jun 2017 #205

I agree with you. Michigan (especially Detroit) has always been suspicious to me. Tatiana Jun 2017 #123

Got it, no evidence to support any of your suspicions MichMan Jun 2017 #195

It is your final paragraph that gives me pause. Quanta Jun 2017 #74

So they did it in 2004 and 2016, but not in 2008 and 2012? Why? trentwestcott Jun 2017 #78

If it's a good hack you won't find evidence JCMach1 Jun 2017 #87

Yes, first Obama covered up a stolen election then he fucked off to Tahiti BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #89

COUP. Say it; use it WinkyDink Jun 2017 #90

The elections were stolen malaise Jun 2017 #91

I'm from Wisconsin and I knew something happened on election night. milestogo Jun 2017 #92

Yes 1000 times yes! jimlup Jun 2017 #94

As the old saying goes: In for a penny; in for a pound. procon Jun 2017 #96

Stalin said the real power is in the hands of the people who count the votes egold2604 Jun 2017 #98

Yep, I don't buy PA results. She should have won. johnnyrocket Jun 2017 #99

Who are the holdouts? Who is suppressing the obvious? gtar100 Jun 2017 #100

The lesson learned from 2004 was to keep one's powder dry and to let stopbush Jun 2017 #102

Democrats in Congress probably know that votes were flippeed and probably thought INdemo Jun 2017 #108

Oh, yes ailsagirl Jun 2017 #110

The 2016 Coup RicROC Jun 2017 #112

That's what I have said all along blueinredohio Jun 2017 #113

That's what I've always believed. Little Star Jun 2017 #115

YES. I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALONG SINCE NOVEMBER. joanbarnes Jun 2017 #116

Yes and it will probably be one of those things that gets buried dflprincess Jun 2017 #117

Yes. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #120

I personally believe this has been going on for quite a while. We had to have the "hanging chads" southerncrone Jun 2017 #124

They cannot win blue-wave Jun 2017 #125

I think they ran it out of Houston, but it matters little, they did it. ucrdem Jun 2017 #126

Ran What Out Of Houston? SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #135

Project Alamo. ucrdem Jun 2017 #140

The thing is I can't with any confidence say it didn't happen. TDale313 Jun 2017 #127

There is another problem Dan Jun 2017 #128

The Diebold machines in OH in 2004 secondwind Jun 2017 #130

Connection Between Voting Machines & Registrations? SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #132

Come To Think Of It, They Were ALL Over Those Computer Systems Prior To Election Day SoCalMusicLover Jun 2017 #134

I'd like to ask a statistician about the probability of.. mvd Jun 2017 #139

Sorry, but statistics are not helping here... TomVilmer Jun 2017 #141

I don't believe Comey and Rogers at all mvd Jun 2017 #159

I do not believe them either... TomVilmer Jun 2017 #164

Right now it is just a feeling.. mvd Jun 2017 #165

No he loves himself. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #143

kick. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #144

This much I know quaker bill Jun 2017 #145

Agree! Computers for election counting is not working correctly. UCmeNdc Jun 2017 #147

We know there was media manipulation, for sure sharedvalues Jun 2017 #149

I believed the election was hacked and/or rigged from Election Night when the imbecile won. linnknee Jun 2017 #151

And the Republicans in Congress Now MAKE ME SICK - I hate them as much as the asshole. linnknee Jun 2017 #152

Russian influence and Comey's stupidity gave Trump the election. Nitram Jun 2017 #153

A family member of mine does hi-tech stuff for DARPA DFW Jun 2017 #155

NO TRUER WORDS: They know that in a fairly held election, they lose. Raster Jun 2017 #183

Disgusting and Dangerous DownriverDem Jun 2017 #156

HRC lost MI by 13K votes. All they'd have to do is flip a few per precinct & nobody's the wiser. catbyte Jun 2017 #158

But I was told DT won because the Democratic party "failed" and HRC was a horrible candidate! ehrnst Jun 2017 #160

I'm just glad we all seem to be back PDittie Jun 2017 #161

The big question for me is: What happens if there was tampering?? Amimnoch Jun 2017 #166

Here's a hint: read the Constitution brooklynite Jun 2017 #168

Well thank you captain obvious. Amimnoch Jun 2017 #170

ANother OBVIOUS comment... brooklynite Jun 2017 #171

So I guess laws and judicial precedent is nonexistent? Amimnoch Jun 2017 #172

I'm not being snarky; I'm being blunt brooklynite Jun 2017 #173

Thank you. Amimnoch Jun 2017 #176

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They must have hacked the exit polls too...they were petty much nuts on. jmg257 Jun 2017 #174

No, they weren't. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #185

Uh huh! nt jmg257 Jun 2017 #186

Nah-uh. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #187

:) LOL! Cheers! nt jmg257 Jun 2017 #188

No, the exit polls predicted a Hillary win. athena Jun 2017 #189

Go to CNN exit polls - most states are dead nuts on. jmg257 Jun 2017 #190

You seem to be confusing "projection" with "exit poll". athena Jun 2017 #191

Ah interesting...here is what CNN said about Michigan... jmg257 Jun 2017 #193

Could we cut back on the auto-pessimism?...I mean, why say whathehell Jun 2017 #175

This thread jumped the shark LOL snooper2 Jun 2017 #178

Yup. they stoled it. Bonx Jun 2017 #184

There are no ballots to recount, because they never existed. Orsino Jun 2017 #196

And I believe Trump when he says how surprised he was on Election Night. Orsino Jun 2017 #197

K&R. dchill Jun 2017 #202

I have never trusted the electronic voting machines Butterflies Jun 2017 #203