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23. How many Americans have been collected?

Wed Jun 7, 2017, 09:41 AM

Jun 2017

Coats talks about the fundamental problem in order to determine if someone is an American citizen... It would require extensive inquiry that in and of itself might be violative of the person's civil liberties.

Also it would divert resources.

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LIVE - The Senate Intelligence Committee Undercard match is on now... [View all] brooklynite Jun 2017 OP

Watching. Burr was deferential.WARNER GoES THERE!! NT Persisted Jun 2017 #1

WARNER THROWS DOWN THE TRUMP/RUSSIA OBSTRUCTION! Persisted Jun 2017 #2

DEMS WILL ASK ROSENSTIEN ABOUT HIS ROLE COMEY FIRING. Persisted Jun 2017 #3

DEMS WILL ASK ABOUT COATES/ROGERS EXPLOITATION BY TRUMP. Persisted Jun 2017 #4

K & R..& thanks! furtheradu Jun 2017 #5

Warren drops the mic FM123 Jun 2017 #6

Steve Clemons (The Atlantic) says he heard Mike Rogers "might have a story to tell" brooklynite Jun 2017 #7

Unable to watch awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #8

Deferential in opening. He wants this renewed. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #12

What does "renewed" mean? awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #27

702 expires at the end of the year Persisted Jun 2017 #29

The Dems will be asking the important questions while Republicans procon Jun 2017 #9

Coats gives example of 702 collection..... Persisted Jun 2017 #10

Undercard? yallerdawg Jun 2017 #11

Let me put it this way...bars are opening tomorrow in DC for Comey viewing brooklynite Jun 2017 #13

Coats laying out framework for renewal... Persisted Jun 2017 #14

Coats giving terrific history on 702 Persisted Jun 2017 #15

But since there is no fourth amendment protection for foreign people in foreign lands Persisted Jun 2017 #16

Statute requires minimumization of Persisted Jun 2017 #17

Note majority of over steps on over collection are self repported Persisted Jun 2017 #18

This reminds me so much of Watergate spinbaby Jun 2017 #19

just said the same berksdem Jun 2017 #55

Detailed oversight by the fisa court..... Persisted Jun 2017 #20

We have never found an intentional violation of this program Persisted Jun 2017 #21

Most compliant incident which resulted in change..... Persisted Jun 2017 #22

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Haji Iman case.....NSA tracking over 2 year period... Persisted Jun 2017 #24

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Burr...any deliberate violations? No, from all panel. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #26

Burr.....so, we all good? What about 4th? Rodstien answers Persisted Jun 2017 #28

Rogers & Bar discussing reverse targeting..... Persisted Jun 2017 #30

Now Rodgers brings up incidental collection of US citizens Persisted Jun 2017 #31

Senator Warner bringing up Trump/Russia investigation now.Did Trump attempt to pressure Coates? brooklynite Jun 2017 #32

Warner goes there... Persisted Jun 2017 #33

Here we go, Warner on Trump obstruction efforts. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #34

Rogers sounds like a nasty bastard. BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #35

No...he just threw Trump under the bus. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #38

I didn't think so BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #41

Nope....you're missing the point. They say, like Persisted Jun 2017 #43

I understand that - i.e., confirming the fact that the conversation did take place BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #48

The gravaman for obstruction is not the pressure Persisted Jun 2017 #54

What I posted in #57 BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #62

Again.....that's a defense. A defense. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #67

And the assertion of obstruction is just hearsay until proven otherwise. BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #72

Rogers basically just squashed the Trump meeting OliverQ Jun 2017 #36

That's not what he said.nt Persisted Jun 2017 #37

It is what he said and Coats just repeated it BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #42

,Nope...... he said he didn't feel pressured, Persisted Jun 2017 #44

No, Rogers also said he didn't feel he was ever directed to do anything he felt was wrong OliverQ Jun 2017 #47

What he feels doesn't matter to an obstruction charge. Persisted Jun 2017 #58

But that would mean Rogers doesn't think Trump asking to intervene in an investigation is wrong. OliverQ Jun 2017 #60

The prevailing narrative BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #57

Obstruction doesn't depend on everybody's feelings. Persisted Jun 2017 #59

I'm not talking "feelings" BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #65

Coats now says he can't answer in public. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #39

So much for Rogers and Coats. Nothing going to happen with them. Imperialism Inc. Jun 2017 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #45

No..... Persisted Jun 2017 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #52

I'm feeling really cynical about Comey now OliverQ Jun 2017 #50

You mean the guy that helped put him in office to begin with. JTFrog Jun 2017 #84

Ask about the President AND any members of the Administration. Coats not answering the question. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #46

Because Coats chose to answer by asserting he never "felt pressure " did he not at least Ninga Jun 2017 #53

Yes. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #61

Pressure, as in "or I'll fire you." Does not preclude having been asked w/o pressure. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #66

Question. does a parsed answer open the door for a return to the original question? Nt Ninga Jun 2017 #68

Seems to me that Rubio knows what these bozos were going to say. Nt Ninga Jun 2017 #74

Rogers was asked an "if he ever" question and replied he won't answer hypothetical questions.... chelsea0011 Jun 2017 #51

Blurted that out loud in my office. Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #56

Neither Coates or Rogers will discuss specifics of private conversations with trump still_one Jun 2017 #63

Well....Feinstien just smacked DOJ.....Rogers answering Persisted Jun 2017 #64

Rubio had dinner with Trump to prepare for these hearings. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #69

Agree. Ninga Jun 2017 #77

What about "questions with a Senator, or questions with a lawyer, or questions wi a Congressman or Ninga Jun 2017 #90

So much corruption, so much treason OliverQ Jun 2017 #85

Rubio goes for the Leaks angle first; Rogers reiterates he won't discuss Trump in PUBLIC... brooklynite Jun 2017 #70

Rubio just fucked Trump. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #73

Agree. Rubio knew what these guys were going to say. Nt Ninga Jun 2017 #75

THIS BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #76

He is carrying water for Trump and going after Obama. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #79

I'm not saying he did it deliberately. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #80

Here comes Wyden BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #78

Holy Shit. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #81

That's going to leave some marks... brooklynite Jun 2017 #86

Ooh! 3 out of 4 won't comment on taking notes! blogslut Jun 2017 #82

I loved the "don't understand the question" delaying tactic. Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #88

Yep. There are notes. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #89

Wyden finally asking great questions. And getting non-answers. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #83

Wyden is the best so far. Real questions. Coates is not cooperating. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #87

Rogers and Coates danced around DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #91

Rogers and Coates confirmed Mueller is investingation Trump for obstruction involving them L. Coyote Jun 2017 #96

Susan Collins slipped the knife. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #92

Understand..... she asked why Obama was able to get Persisted Jun 2017 #97

Heinrich just kicked some serious ass. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #93

He's not backing down! Hell, I'm starting to feel uncomfortable under his grilling. LOL! Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #94

I like this Heinrich fellow. blogslut Jun 2017 #95

Blunt.....a rose is a rose. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #98

Angus kicking ass and taking no prisoners! BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #99

Oh, holy shit Angus King!!! Persisted Jun 2017 #100

Angus King is not having it. blogslut Jun 2017 #101

General Counsel at the White House is controlling the panel. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #102

This is bizarre. Executive privilege would never hold up in court. They know that. bettyellen Jun 2017 #112

This seems an end run around the fact it would not hold up. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #117

Asked? Heron5 Jun 2017 #103

Precisely. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #104

It is obvious the Mueller investigation is overlapping some of the inquiries. In other words L. Coyote Jun 2017 #106

YES. nt furtheradu Jun 2017 #107

The President is under criminal investigation and that has to be the bottom line here. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #105

Continuation thread now up..... brooklynite Jun 2017 #108

And Burr just confirmed that Russia is briefed Persisted Jun 2017 #109

Not in today's closed session. Heron5 Jun 2017 #110

Rogers and his "I would hope so" is incredibly weasely. bettyellen Jun 2017 #115

Kamala! She's good. bettyellen Jun 2017 #111

Trying to pin down Rosenstein to tell Mueller he will not be fired. bettyellen Jun 2017 #113

"Folks" Pat Fitgerald Persisted Jun 2017 #114

"So is that a 'No'?" nt Persisted Jun 2017 #116

Coates disparaging WaPo in response to McCains questions about their reports. bettyellen Jun 2017 #118

No..Kabuki. mt Persisted Jun 2017 #119

McCain is doing a good job validating The Post's article. writes3000 Jun 2017 #120

Aw shucks McCain...just trying to be all warm and fuzzy...not a forceful question in his body. Nt Ninga Jun 2017 #121

Knife slipping in. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #122

Agree. writes3000 Jun 2017 #123

These 4 are now officially part of the cover up DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #124