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bluestateguy

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24. This time I think I believe him

Sun Jul 8, 2012, 03:43 PM

Jul 2012

And here is why:

The tax rates expire on January 1st. The worst case scenario is that he is voted out of office and would leave on January 20.

So if he loses, he's got nothing to lose by letting them all expire and the next president and Congress can deal with that mess, and Obama can rightfully claim to belatedly keeping a campaign promise to end the Bush tax cuts.

If he wins, he never has to face the voters again, and he can ignore the four alarm screaming that will come when everybody's paychecks are a little less on January 1st. Then he can calmly ask once again that tax rates for the lower 98% be restored to Bush era rates, while the other 2% can pay Clinton era rates. If Congress won't play ball, hey, not his problem anymore.

Please don't pee in my Wheaties.

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OBAMA ADVISER SAYS PRESIDENT WILL NOT EXTEND BUSH TAX CUTS, EVEN TEMPORARILY: �100% COMMITTED� [View all] kpete Jul 2012 OP

Why, that mother-fucker!!! NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #1

You BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #12

Too funny! Firebrand Gary Jul 2012 #76

I will wait til it's done to celebrate. annabanana Jul 2012 #2

Pudding-style proof comes in the aftermath. theaocp Jul 2012 #5

1000% agreed. He talks a good game but most often FAILS to follow through. on point Jul 2012 #10

notice what was not said or asked? hfojvt Jul 2012 #23

If the bar is @ $250,000 that little bit for a lot of folk goes back into the economy. Tigress DEM Jul 2012 #96

below $100,000 is most of the population hfojvt Jul 2012 #106

My "most" was from the link I provided 98% in the US make less than $250,000 Tigress DEM Jul 2012 #130

Why does it matter that people are small business owners? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #127

Small businesses tend to actually provide living wage jobs. So helping them helps their employees. Tigress DEM Jul 2012 #129

It took more "backbone" back then to extend the cuts than it will take to not extend them now. DCBob Jul 2012 #25

Gave the rich two years in exchange for one year of UI. Sirveri Jul 2012 #58

It was a tough call. DCBob Jul 2012 #69

Um, had he not taken that deal, taxes on the poorest would've went up 50% phleshdef Jul 2012 #133

LOL Skittles Jul 2012 #83

Bingo! It's easy to throw spitballs from the peanut gallery mikekohr Jul 2012 #95

Things are still fragile and the issues always intertwine. What will morningfog Jul 2012 #101

+ My household. truedelphi Jul 2012 #28

Can't say I am optimistic. harun Jul 2012 #87

True, but don't wait to tell Obama, "Keep your word if you want our trust". Tigress DEM Jul 2012 #105

Indeed. The usual game is to do this, then wait for the R's to hold something hostage, then the cave Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #115

Then Work On The Effing Loopholes otohara Jul 2012 #3

Yep, when four hundred famkilies/and/or corporations truedelphi Jul 2012 #29

First and foremost in this discussion ought to be loopholes 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #93

Hallelujah! cpwm17 Jul 2012 #4

Seems I've heard this before. I'll only believe it if it actually happens, Lionessa Jul 2012 #6

Well those of us who have become cynics truedelphi Jul 2012 #33

If you mean "congress" in the narrow reference of Lionessa Jul 2012 #38

She wants to extend the taxcuts for those make $1 million or less. kentuck Jul 2012 #42

And the problem with that is?? Lionessa Jul 2012 #44

It is 100% genuine Republican... kentuck Jul 2012 #50

If you're making $999,000 a year you don't need a fucking tax cut. obxhead Jul 2012 #51

This would have more credibility (1) if Obama had not already extended the tax cuts after saying AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #7

YUP !! russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #9

My thoughts exactly Time for change Jul 2012 #17

one trouble is that the Obama plan hfojvt Jul 2012 #46

I don't understand your numbers SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #78

because members of the top 1% and the top 5% hfojvt Jul 2012 #102

Something that people do not realize - most people who make $ 150K truedelphi Jul 2012 #112

that one I have not heard of hfojvt Jul 2012 #113

Someone here on DU once posted a poll that truedelphi Jul 2012 #134

This could mean BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #20

What a complicated answer. And no, it doesn't mean that at all. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #21

Politics is complicated. Nothing is as cut and dry as we'd like it, BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #40

High speed rail here in California is dead in the water truedelphi Jul 2012 #35

It's been approved by the Senate last Friday. BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #43

Really? That is very welcome news to my truedelphi Jul 2012 #49

I'm pretty happy with this news as well! BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #57

Wrong. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #59

You're not the President. Obama is. He's going to do what he wants to do. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #80

What a powerful rebutal to my post!!! JoePhilly Jul 2012 #84

Without Congress, he can only do so much - BUT he CAN VETO anything that doesn't meet the criteria. Tigress DEM Jul 2012 #103

Understand ... except Obama actually holds the cards here ... consider ... JoePhilly Jul 2012 #120

Problem is Americans DO NOTICE "inaction" but blame BOTH parties, not just the obstructionists. Tigress DEM Jul 2012 #132

Until something changes. morningfog Jul 2012 #100

Like what? ... what change do you anticipate? JoePhilly Jul 2012 #121

I hope you're right. morningfog Jul 2012 #122

Is there a money quote from the last tussle? Orsino Jul 2012 #109

Not yet. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #111

It is not Obama, it is Congress who has to vote on the bill.......Obama can only sign it into law... BEAU1943 Jul 2012 #123

I sure hope he doesn't extend the tax cost for the 1% Jake2413 Jul 2012 #8

I agree. I'm willing to give up my tax cut if it means the upper income folks give up theirs. Laurian Jul 2012 #13

This time Obama is in a better negotiating position (see my post #24) bluestateguy Jul 2012 #30

I hate Candy Crowley Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #11

The only solution is to let all the tax cuts expire: rich, middle class, whatever alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #14

this interview with Gibbs shows why that's not likely Enrique Jul 2012 #16

I agree with you... Volaris Jul 2012 #92

As I said earlier........let them expire BEAU1943 Jul 2012 #124

We heard the same thing repeatedly during his 2008 campaign Time for change Jul 2012 #15

Action speaks louder than words. bahrbearian Jul 2012 #18

That is easy for Gibbs to say. bvar22 Jul 2012 #19

And here I thought that I could count on you truedelphi Jul 2012 #36

I wish I could recommend this Marrah_G Jul 2012 #41

Here are a couple more of those "puppies" that will be dragged out - by both parties - with the sad sally Jul 2012 #54

Those "puppies" ARE important. bvar22 Jul 2012 #71

Bingo.... vi5 Jul 2012 #77

Why do you hate puppies? hay rick Jul 2012 #73

With Obama's 'threats', seeing is believing. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #22

This time I think I believe him bluestateguy Jul 2012 #24

I'm sorry, but on this issue, he always caves. n/t RandySF Jul 2012 #26

I feel like Charlie Brown 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #27

OMG! Not again! kentuck Jul 2012 #31

^^^ DU replies, "We Can't Trust Him!!11!!" ^^^ NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #32

That was the biggest mistake of his first term... kentuck Jul 2012 #37

If he let them all expire, he'd be a one term President, period. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #61

Along with not getting.. sendero Jul 2012 #79

I am with you ~ timing is everything goclark Jul 2012 #55

Yeah, Yeah. Promises, Promises...... Shadowflash Jul 2012 #34

I've heard all this shit before Marrah_G Jul 2012 #39

"It's like Deja Vu all over again!" - Yogi Berra Zorra Jul 2012 #45

The problem is...this will not happen Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #47

They were making hay out of gas prices going up... Blanks Jul 2012 #48

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2012 #52

I have no dought he will extend them all. The way the economy is going he will have to n/t doc03 Jul 2012 #53

I know .its sicking to see how much Obama Hatred is here. bahrbearian Jul 2012 #62

It's not hatred. progressoid Jul 2012 #82

no hatred, and nothing to eat crow for Enrique Jul 2012 #63

So who ya voting for this Nov. Sid? bahrbearian Jul 2012 #64

Rec for the part of me that believes it unapatriciated Jul 2012 #56

I intend to vote for him. WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #60

They crapped on us kellytore Jul 2012 #65

We're going to kick that damn football to the MOON this time, Lucy! DirkGently Jul 2012 #66

Trial balloom!... frogs Jul 2012 #67

A progressive flat tax mick063 Jul 2012 #68

There is no such thing... kentuck Jul 2012 #70

Noppity-nope. Igel Jul 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author AJTheMan Jul 2012 #74

That makes me so excited! AJTheMan Jul 2012 #75

I'll beleive it when I see it happen and not one second sooner. 99Forever Jul 2012 #81

LOL! -= B U L L S H I T =- Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #85

Aug 18 2009: 'Gibbs insists Obama not backing off public option' Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #86

+1 piratefish08 Jul 2012 #88

There's something about this story that depresses me... kentuck Jul 2012 #89

so fucking true fascisthunter Jul 2012 #94

"quote in this thread now will pop up again later" Martin Eden Jul 2012 #107

Excellent rundown you transcribe. The same worn down crap they pull. -eom Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #116

It's Obama's call and there's no doubt he will extend the rich cuts again. Kablooie Jul 2012 #90

No offense to Gibbs or Obama, but I want to see it happen first. Arkana Jul 2012 #91

I'll believe it when I see it. morningfog Jul 2012 #97

Step right up...Step right up...Find the Little Lady! bvar22 Jul 2012 #98

GOBAMA!!!! Taverner Jul 2012 #99

President Obama is too smart kctim Jul 2012 #104

I don't believe this for a second. hughee99 Jul 2012 #108

I support President Obama 100% on this stance. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #110

It's an election year, so woo me with science Jul 2012 #114

No way. Here's my theory. He pretends he has this stand firm, then the debt ceiling WILL need to be Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #117

Probably you are right. woo me with science Jul 2012 #118

Repubs feel that Obama is an easy mark. kentuck Jul 2012 #119

The rich will keep their tax cuts in the end. woo me with science Jul 2012 #128

I support President Obama 100% here steve2470 Jul 2012 #125

Right. krispos42 Jul 2012 #126

Remember this is campaign Barrack, not President Barrack Doctor_J Jul 2012 #131