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Nanjeanne

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163. I would say based on 2016 that there were many reasons why Hillary lost and why

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 08:44 AM

Jun 2017

some Democrats may have stayed home. But I doubt it was because of Bernie's words. Most Dems I know wound up voting for Clinton even though they supported Bernie in primary. But young new Dems who joined the party just because of Bernie may have stayed home or voted third party. Those people were never going to vote for Hillary simply because they weren't inspired to do so. Not Bernie's fault. And independents who were stupid enough to believe Trump was going to actually do anything he proposed in his populist words weren't Bernie's fault either.

Off this board, the Democrats I talk to all think it's important to figure out why we have been steadily losing for years and years across state legislatures, governorships, House, Senate, Supreme Court - and enjoy debating different ideas and analyzing mistakes.

Personally, i'd like to win elections with candidates who's policies I support. I don't see that happening if Bernie supporters - both in the Dem Party and amongst Independents - are considered the enemy.

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The problem I have with Bernie... [View all] kentuck Jun 2017 OP

For Once Kentuck Me. Jun 2017 #1

I don't think it's anything new. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #2

We don't need an activist at this time...we need a Trump fighter. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #4

Sanders is fighting Trump. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #5

You have a point...the dilution of his message makes it seem so. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #8

or it makes him not look like a partisan hack. There is consistency that isn't party based. JCanete Jun 2017 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jun 2017 #16

bingo Champion Jack Jun 2017 #52

I'm glad most people here aren't buying that. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #144

its still true. You can't be taken seriously if you only have criticisms for one party when they do JCanete Jun 2017 #158

Nope, it's not true. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #172

yaha! JCanete Jun 2017 #173

Here Steve, I've got this one for you.... Nahah! JCanete Jun 2017 #174

LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #167

LOL right? Lets replace LOL with all coherent LOL! LOL! JCanete Jun 2017 #171

While trashing the Democratic leftynyc Jun 2017 #76

Unfortunately that "everything" includes the Democratic Party. He's a broken record on that... brush Jun 2017 #128

Agree. It's clear to me that it's self promotion at this point. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #131

We need someone dedicated to electing ANY and ALL democrats in 2018 Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #29

we need what is good for the country Champion Jack Jun 2017 #54

Electing Democrat is good for the country...and electing Republicans is not ever good for anyone. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #60

That may be a comforting thought Champion Jack Jun 2017 #65

It IS that simple. leftynyc Jun 2017 #77

It is that simple. Had we elected Sec. Clinton...we would not have a wall street deregulation bill Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #84

Oh yeah? Well tell us when and where electing a repug worked out well for the country? brush Jun 2017 #130

Yeah, that person really stepped into it with that remark. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #145

maybe it's time to think outside of the 2 party box Champion Jack Jun 2017 #178

Ya didn't answer the question. Maybe it's time to do my "Kamala Harris schtick"... brush Jun 2017 #180

Two party system. We have a two party system. kcr Jun 2017 #148

maybe that's not such a good thing? Champion Jack Jun 2017 #179

You actually have a good point, but perhaps for its own thread brush Jun 2017 #181

We need someone dedicated to electing ANY and ALL democrats in 2018 Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #97

No matter what you think of Sanders, what we need now is activists - activists ARE Trump fighters karynnj Jun 2017 #39

I think Sen Sanders hurts Democrats more than he helps us. I wish he would consider the best way to Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #49

Hmmm GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #66

Those numbers help HIM leftynyc Jun 2017 #79

Link to poll please...I would bet it is an old one...and if he is popular, Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #85

It's from GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #105

Couldn't find the polls Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #139

Not finding it. ehrnst Jun 2017 #175

Sadly it is divisive activism. JNelson6563 Jun 2017 #153

I just want to know if Bernie has an honest-to-god plan Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #3

His relationship with the Dem party is largely a one way street - he doesn't get coalitions, bettyellen Jun 2017 #6

Well, it depends on whether or not he thinks a russian style government is Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #31

Yep. nt cwydro Jun 2017 #75

He's not letting up on the Democratic party or Trump. aikoaiko Jun 2017 #7

I say not good for the Democratic Party...the only means to stop Trump and the KGOP. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #10

Seems to me we can do more than just oppose Trump... Bernie is doing just that. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #35

I find that criticizing the Democratic Party is not something we should be doing . Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #48

Why GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #67

We lost by a less than 70,000 votes in three states...despite this perfect storm of an election... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #86

70,000 less isn't the anything GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #103

Let's start with Women. moda253 Jun 2017 #110

Not the one you are talking about...criticism drives voters away. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #92

If you can't face honest criticism GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #104

And the entire problem with income is the Democrats? Not true and I wonder at your motives. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #142

God I am so sick and tired of hearing this scapegoating of moda253 Jun 2017 #108

Constructive criticism is fine Trumpocalypse Jun 2017 #83

Bernie likes to rant about people he thinks are less perfect than he is. But what is his plan? SharonClark Jun 2017 #106

By trashing the Democratic Party? ehrnst Jun 2017 #176

Bernie isn't creating the dissatisfaction with the Dem party among lefties aikoaiko Jun 2017 #46

I think he is creating dissatisfaction. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #47

Bernie speaks for me and people like me. aikoaiko Jun 2017 #63

Really? And his words make you want to run out and vote do they? No, they make you think the Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #87

His words inspire me to vote. Nanjeanne Jun 2017 #107

I don't buy that sort of talk inspires folks to vote Democratic. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #138

Cool. I was talking about me not you. Different strokes. Good thing not everyone feels like you. Nanjeanne Jun 2017 #151

I would say based on the 2016 election and you can check out twitter that far more folks abandoned Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #159

I would say based on 2016 that there were many reasons why Hillary lost and why Nanjeanne Jun 2017 #163

I don't doubt it...the divisions did not heal and a loss was the result and with unwise words, it Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #164

And I don't see that happening if Bernie and his supporters consider the Democratic Party the enemy. JTFrog Jun 2017 #168

Well as a supporter of Bernie and a Democrat I disagree. I can be against Trump and Nanjeanne Jun 2017 #170

Address it, or risk losin 'em. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #61

In my opinion, those who believe what I heard over the weekend are already lost. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #88

Bernie wants lock step with HIS ideas moda253 Jun 2017 #111

lock step? Really? He's shown he can work with the party even when he doesn't get what he wants aikoaiko Jun 2017 #120

That sure is one way of looking at it. moda253 Jun 2017 #123

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #143

that depends on what you think the biggest crisis of our time is, and whether you think Trump JCanete Jun 2017 #9

Trump is the worst crisis or our time. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #11

but why did he happen? YOu think there won't be another Trump given our 4th estate? nt JCanete Jun 2017 #19

I think there was a perfect storm...we had a bitter primary with some not coming Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #51

Bitter primary GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #68

You should take this post down...there was no inside help...and the primary is over. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #89

Everything else pales in comparison. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #36

Yes indeed. I fear for our Republic even existing if he is not stopped. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #50

Yes, I fear we're past the tipping point... sadly. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #58

I have hope...so far the system is holding. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #59

Can it be neither? bonemachine Jun 2017 #40

I definitely advocate saving the patient. The only argument for a Trump as shaky as it is, is that JCanete Jun 2017 #42

Pneumonia kills people even if they know they have it...hopefully we will fare better! Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #53

That Trump could even get elected is the real battle leftstreet Jun 2017 #13

right...who needs to win elections after all...sarcasm...Georgia 6 is next week... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #20

So we should not be organizing and motivating voters for the 2018 elections? Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #14

Criticizing the Democratic Party motivates Republicans not Democrats. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #18

Not if you think the democratic party failed. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #69

I don't blame the Democratic party...and we lost by just under 70,000 and with Russian hacks. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #90

Third major election of my life where a "perfect storm" cost us the election. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #127

2000 is one I assume...don't know the other election...maybe 2004...and if you consider in all Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #137

Nope you are right...criticism motivates those who already hate the Democratic Party Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #93

Haven't DUers been criticizing the Democratic Party for decades? athena Jun 2017 #109

Running campaigns to try and woo suburban republicans is what got us here killbotfactory Jun 2017 #124

You seem to want to rewrite history. athena Jun 2017 #129

She didn't run on the platform. Most of the ads her campaign ran were policy-free. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #154

She was running against a mentally unstable man. athena Jun 2017 #156

As Athena noted, what you just wrote is revisionist history. I am tired of writing this so here is a stevenleser Jun 2017 #146

Yeah yeah, I totally made it up. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #155

Yeah there was nothing wrong with our elections..... moda253 Jun 2017 #112

That's been the case since at least when gore lost. killbotfactory Jun 2017 #125

You and me both. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #38

We should. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #62

Examples please? Arazi Jun 2017 #15

... emulatorloo Jun 2017 #27

Same here. Duppers Jun 2017 #74

Bernie is confusing. kstewart33 Jun 2017 #17

He needs to fall in line GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #70

Bernie started recruiting people to run for election Samantha Jun 2017 #122

He is not a Democrat - why do you even give a damn? Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #21

I would not go that far... kentuck Jun 2017 #22

We Dems can do more than one thing at a time... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #32

I doubt it...constant criticism by influential leaders is not going to help Democrats...only Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #55

How do you know Putin doesn't want Bernie claiming Dems are an "abject failure"? emulatorloo Jun 2017 #23

Because this is 4th dimensional chess wherein... SaschaHM Jun 2017 #24

United we stand... kentuck Jun 2017 #26

Ever hear the term 'constructive criticism'? Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #30

let me know when he gives some. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #33

A lot of folks may see it as 'Destructive Criticism.' All I know is Republicans are emulatorloo Jun 2017 #37

What Sanders is saying is spot on... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #41

Bernie's stable of candidates are losing elections as well. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #43

Haha...tell that to Kansas or Nebraska... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #56

When we don't have programs targeted at keeping our voters from voting moda253 Jun 2017 #114

Where are all the 'Democrats' talking about election fraud? That's right they don't.... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #115

Ummm you want me to do the research for you that you say doesn't exist? moda253 Jun 2017 #116

Election fraud has been occurring since the mid-1990s. Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #119

I mean the DNC has created a commission to address it moda253 Jun 2017 #118

Revisionist history stevenleser Jun 2017 #147

Wrong... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #149

You have no evidence for your position, I have evidence for mine. End of story. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #150

Your blinders will not help the party... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #152

Which none of you tolerate Chevy Jun 2017 #135

This is absurd. It is so clear what is going on. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #34

We risk a hide if we criticize him as he in TOS. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #57

So he is considered a Democrat? Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #98

A person who is aligned with Democrats...look at TOS. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #100

And that is the freakin truth right there. JTFrog Jun 2017 #141

I think it is better than last year because the jury system has improved. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #160

I don't think so. JTFrog Jun 2017 #161

You have appeals...I was stalked recently and appealed. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #165

Not impressed. nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #166

Nothing is ever perfect. I would say as annoying as some of what a certain person says is, it would Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #169

I think not. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2017 #94

lol lol lol Chevy Jun 2017 #134

i wouldnt care what he does or says, except for the fact mopinko Jun 2017 #25

He seems to be causing more divisions than bringing together FloridaBlues Jun 2017 #44

If his handpicked candidates were winning races nationwide, I might give him a listen, but since.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #45

Did your GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #71

The point is.. BS' didn't. The one who's always Cha Jun 2017 #82

Probably. We may never know, thanks to the hammer & sickle brigade. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #132

Agree Tarheel FloridaBlues Jun 2017 #91

I googled Bernie news Duppers Jun 2017 #64

Right, I mean. . . GhostofFDR Jun 2017 #72

Ouch. Duppers Jun 2017 #73

Wake me up when DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #78

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #80

Good.. you've noticed. Mahalo, kentuck Cha Jun 2017 #81

Bernie is countering Trump's bluster. retrowire Jun 2017 #95

Bulldog? That must Chevy Jun 2017 #136

Bernie is still tearing people apart. We need "stronger together" cheerleaders to encourage us judesedit Jun 2017 #96

It's the only way he can keep himself in the news. JTFrog Jun 2017 #99

Bernie spends most of his time knocking the Dems, like Nero fiddling. The_Casual_Observer Jun 2017 #101

Bernie might be more effective if he changed his party registration to Democratic? kentuck Jun 2017 #102

Fair point loyalsister Jun 2017 #113

Good point. kentuck Jun 2017 #117

Te Democratic party is a team, Eko Jun 2017 #121

let it rest, we have more important issues at stake beachbum bob Jun 2017 #126

You are correct and the sooner we collectively realize it the better. nt Doremus Jun 2017 #140

Perhaps you are correct? kentuck Jun 2017 #157

I would count 3 actually Chevy Jun 2017 #133

It's not that big of a problem. kentuck Jun 2017 #162

he's campaigning against the GOP health bill SethH Jun 2017 #177