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55. That's what I was going to say, thank you. Yes standing up for gun control hurt her. I think

Reply to bettyellen (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 14, 2017, 02:11 PM

Jun 2017

she knew it could possibly hurt her, but she's stood up for what was right. It really showed her integrity.

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If the left had its way, this shooting would never have happened. [View all] athena Jun 2017 OP

Good point. Thanks for that. n/t reflection Jun 2017 #1

Just so. dchill Jun 2017 #2

Why do you think that? hack89 Jun 2017 #3

What law do you think would have prevented this? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #4

Oh, howsabout the laws letting gun nuts carry them across state lines and openly Hoyt Jun 2017 #105

Which stricter requirements would we have wanted to stop him from getting a gun? jmg257 Jun 2017 #5

You cannot, if you are being honest, claim that stricter gun laws athena Jun 2017 #11

I didn't make that argument. So again, which stricter gun laws DO we want that will prevent it? jmg257 Jun 2017 #15

You seem to have missed my point. athena Jun 2017 #21

I am NOT demanding proof at all - I am asking for laws that would prevent the shooting, as jmg257 Jun 2017 #25

As it turns out, this specific crime could easily have been prevented athena Jun 2017 #88

What kind of "mental health problems" should disqualify an individual? What level of "criminal Marengo Jun 2017 #41

Depression. Bipolar disorder. Schizophrenia. Sociopathy. Narcissism. athena Jun 2017 #48

How should we identify these people and Lonusca Jun 2017 #56

A quick exam by a psychologist should be required to own a gun. athena Jun 2017 #68

How are you going to implement that, logistically Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #75

I sought treatment for depression many years ago and am a competitive target shooter... Marengo Jun 2017 #57

I'm sure a therapist could clear you to own a gun with a quick exam. athena Jun 2017 #67

Who appointed you the spokesperson for these millions of people? Marengo Jun 2017 #79

Interesting you accuse others of projection Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #80

A "regular of the gun forum" can't legitimately criticize your points? Marengo Jun 2017 #86

What degree of depression are we talking about? Doreen Jun 2017 #64

As someone who as been depressed, athena Jun 2017 #66

I fully understand depression as I feel it most of the time ( even when happy. ) Doreen Jun 2017 #81

A mental health professional can determine that. athena Jun 2017 #87

The shooter came from one of the only states to issue "gun licenses" Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #89

A mental health evaluation is not among the criteria athena Jun 2017 #91

I already posted explaining the logistics of that Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #93

And there you go again, projecting your experience as universally applicable. I know a person... Marengo Jun 2017 #84

The desire to own a gun for anything other than practical purposes would be a start. hunter Jun 2017 #104

How do you cope with the fact that you will never be able to legally inflict "wookie" style... Marengo Jun 2017 #137

Oh please... hunter Jun 2017 #138

They are reasonable. atreides1 Jun 2017 #128

You will never be able to prove athena Jun 2017 #129

domestic violence, for starters. niyad Jun 2017 #14

Good start, and already law in many places. jmg257 Jun 2017 #17

As long as it is not a federal law, it's useless. athena Jun 2017 #22

I demanded no proof at all, and actually agreed with the suggestion. Huh - not sure jmg257 Jun 2017 #23

OK, I misunderstood your post. athena Jun 2017 #83

No worries - I see you were quite busy in this thread! Cheers! jmg257 Jun 2017 #85

It is a federal law already Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #38

Have you looked at a form 4473 lately? Marengo Jun 2017 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #6

If you're going to blame all liberals for the actions of a single self-identified liberal, athena Jun 2017 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #61

He has a history of domestic violence, so maybe that marylandblue Jun 2017 #7

Agreed gopiscrap Jun 2017 #8

Agreed, that guy should not have been able to purchase a military grade weapon like that. Initech Jun 2017 #9

We just need a law sarisataka Jun 2017 #12

Because it's possible to shoot someone without a gun? athena Jun 2017 #13

So will your claim is if the left had its way sarisataka Jun 2017 #18

See my point earlier in the thread about demanding proof for hypothetical arguments. athena Jun 2017 #24

Your point would be valid if it was a hypothetical argument sarisataka Jun 2017 #28

I did not make such a claim. athena Jun 2017 #96

You started this whole discussion with a hypothetical yourself. WillowTree Jun 2017 #92

There is nothing wrong with making an argument based on a hypothetical. athena Jun 2017 #97

It's constitutionally protected loyalsister Jun 2017 #130

Men with a history of spousal abuse should have their guns confiscated. I know it won't happen in bettyellen Jun 2017 #16

+1 flibbitygiblets Jun 2017 #26

53% of women killed by guns are killed by an intimate partner or family member. athena Jun 2017 #30

Yes. And we can't ignore that standing up for gun control hurt HRC but is truly bettyellen Jun 2017 #34

Good point. HRC never gets credit for that. athena Jun 2017 #39

"Hurt" is an understatement Lonusca Jun 2017 #49

Easily- more than her stand with women's reproductive rights... bettyellen Jun 2017 #51

So in retrospect it doesn't look like Lonusca Jun 2017 #53

Becasue the NRA should be steamrolling the government with big money? bettyellen Jun 2017 #58

Interesting change of attitude Lonusca Jun 2017 #62

I'm proud that she stood up for sensible gun control as well as reproductive rights.... aren't you? bettyellen Jun 2017 #73

That's what I was going to say, thank you. Yes standing up for gun control hurt her. I think lunamagica Jun 2017 #55

They do ban ownership if convicted- but conviction is the key Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #35

I thought it was a state thing? It sucks if repeated violent episodes get bettyellen Jun 2017 #36

Some states but also Federal Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #40

Oh yes- I think that I've also read enforcement is non existent as far bettyellen Jun 2017 #45

That's up to individual areas and departments Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #54

Wow- interesting. Thank you! bettyellen Jun 2017 #59

One thing we know, at least Congressmen aren't worried as hell about their health care. Pinkflamingo Jun 2017 #19

We really can't have this arguement until we find out how he got the gun. Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #20

Yes we can. athena Jun 2017 #27

If you want to talk in broad hypothetical terms, sure. Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #31

You should read this article about the shooter. athena Jun 2017 #74

Thanks for the link. n/t Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #78

What law would you say would have stopped it? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #82

"One map shows why Americas gun violence is so much worse than anywhere else" EX500rider Jun 2017 #90

The U.S. is 14th in the world in murder rates. athena Jun 2017 #100

No, not even close, US is 94th EX500rider Jun 2017 #106

I see the issue, you need to pick rate per 100,000 in the drop down box EX500rider Jun 2017 #107

Seems to me if any gun nut can walk around with a rifle/pistol in public, that makes it easy. EOM Hoyt Jun 2017 #32

I agree, Mr.Bill Jun 2017 #43

Exactly. Thanks for pointing it out. Hoyt Jun 2017 #29

Historians will look at this time in our country with a curiosity, all future Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #33

Sometimes it is a Muslim in a mass shooting in America? Zero compared to Christians! Fred Sanders Jun 2017 #37

At the rate of more than one mass shooting per day, athena Jun 2017 #42

Bigger problam is hatred. Lonestarblue Jun 2017 #46

Excellent point. athena Jun 2017 #50

Gunners have been fueling hatred too. Starting with the NRA leadership, to gun owners who frequent Hoyt Jun 2017 #71

Very good point. blueseas Jun 2017 #47

I agree, as someone who should not be allowed to own a gun myself. athena Jun 2017 #52

Is anyone attempting to force you to own a firearm? Marengo Jun 2017 #60

Correct...The last bit of sanity on the R's side was lost whathehell Jun 2017 #63

Of course it could. nycbos Jun 2017 #65

This person had a history of domestic violence. athena Jun 2017 #69

Wasn't aware. nycbos Jun 2017 #70

Apparently, he had a history of other gun-related offenses, too. athena Jun 2017 #72

K & R democrank Jun 2017 #76

Thank you! (n/t) athena Jun 2017 #77

Yes, stricter gun laws would have prevented this. Namely, the banning of ALL guns, period! Fluke a Snooker Jun 2017 #94

How would that be legal with the 2nd amendment in place? Marengo Jun 2017 #95

Sometimes just gotta say gunners' "freedom" stops where the majority of non-gun owners' starts. nt Hoyt Jun 2017 #111

That didn't answer my question. How is a complete ban on the civilian possession of firearms Marengo Jun 2017 #124

Don't think I have endorsed complete ban, although I wouldn't protest a proposal. Hoyt Jun 2017 #125

No one is arguing in favor of banning all guns. athena Jun 2017 #98

We don't need hunting. Government relocation policies take care of that Fluke a Snooker Jun 2017 #112

What is a "government relocation" policy? Marengo Jun 2017 #123

Relocation of animals to regulate their growth Fluke a Snooker Jun 2017 #134

LOL! Right click, Save As... Marengo Jun 2017 #136

Yes, Hillary has been for Sensible Gun Laws Cha Jun 2017 #99

Thank you, Cha! athena Jun 2017 #101

The russians, stein, Voter Suppression, etc made us Cha Jun 2017 #102

Which proposed law would have prevented today's events? linuxman Jun 2017 #103

One law is that just about any fool can carry a rifle or pistol openly in Virginia. Seems to me Hoyt Jun 2017 #110

So he was willing to murder, but would have been discouraged by open carry. linuxman Jun 2017 #113

You are not listening. With no toting allowed, a fool carrying a gun would be a criminal. Hoyt Jun 2017 #114

Oh, I'll enjoy every freedom, thank you. linuxman Jun 2017 #115

A little old lady took Loughner down. Hoyt Jun 2017 #118

I wouldn't know. linuxman Jun 2017 #120

Sounds like the junk you hear from the 3%ers. Hoyt Jun 2017 #127

Go to bed, hoyt. linuxman Jun 2017 #131

You are sounding just like a typical gun fancier. Your gunz are more important Hoyt Jun 2017 #133

There's more of that nonsense talk. linuxman Jun 2017 #135

He carried the gun for about 40-50 feet. Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #121

He could have walked miles with it under Virginia law. Hoyt Jun 2017 #126

All these killers are people with guns. Let that sink in. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #108

Deep. linuxman Jun 2017 #132

Some of the left have supported the NRA Progressive dog Jun 2017 #109

Conservatives have attacked liberals for being anti-gun for decades. athena Jun 2017 #116

I don't care what "they" argue, Progressive dog Jun 2017 #119

Shooter had a history of violence though charges got dismissed: Liberty Belle Jun 2017 #117

And there is a real problem and one you can really fix Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #122