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In reply to the discussion: We need a new system [View all]MineralMan
(151,155 posts)followers of Marx and Lenin. Revolutions often end up causing great suffering for the people living in the countries where they happen. They also often end in establishing governments that simply substitute one ugly system for another.
As far as I'm aware, no anarchist government of a large country has ever succeeded. Getting from our current system to one you have not even defined is not something that's going to happen in your lifetime, probably. Certainly not in mine. In the meantime, there are 350 million people here who are trying to live their lives. A very small number of those people is in favor of what you're discussing, so initiating such a change is going to be extremely unpopular with those people, who have day-to-day concerns that are more important to them than the fine points of social theory.
The problem your plan faces is one that may well be unsurmountable, given the social and psychological makeup of the vast majority in this country, who, for better or worse, believe that our constitutional republic can solve the problems. There is a minority that is unemployed, underemployed, or otherwise in dire straits in the US. It is not a large minority, percentage-wise. It is not a powerful minority.
The Occupy movement, which you think I disagree with (I don't), is on the right track, but is not attracting the numbers that it needs to have a major impact on politics at this time. Will that movement grow? It might, but I'm not convinced of that. Sadly, there have been actions by Black Bloc people that most identify with the Occupy movement that piss off some of the very people who need to be in support if anything is to come of the movement. There has also been some very nasty behavior by law enforcement against the movement, but that hasn't seemed to have caused the number at Occupy actions to rise, either.
The vandalism you're suggesting might be necessary will also not swell the ranks of the Occupy movement. Rather, it will probably diminish those ranks.
Unfortunately, I think your proposal for change is too broad and undefined to capture the minds of many. And many will be needed to make changes. Keep thinking and trying to come up with concrete steps that can actually be achieved. Steps like disarming the police aren't going to happen, since people still need the police to show up when things happen. Dissolving the corporations is a good goal, but there's really no mechanism available to do that, and not enough support for it to make the changes needed to provide that mechanism.
You're thinking big. That's OK, but change doesn't happen that way, I'm afraid. There's no real support for violent revolution in this country. So, some other methods will be needed to produce change. There no real support for serious forms of vandalism, either. In fact serious vandalism will earn the enmity of vast numbers of people, rather than pointing out problems.