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185. I would rate Sanders favorably also, but rate him as ineffective

Fri Jun 16, 2017, 08:59 AM

Jun 2017

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in his demands upon the Democratic Party.

Personal favorability and effectiveness are two different things.

His stated desire seems to be to change the official membership of Democratic Party and not primarily directed at the millions of us who tend to vote for Democratic candidates-the message to us is that we have affiliated ourselves with a lousy party that isn't going to win any more elections.

I do not see his method as being effective in tailoring the Democratic Party to his design or effective in promoting the party to the citizenry.

His "outside reformer" method of focusing on seems to me to promote a negative view of the Democratic Party among all citizens.

Who wants to be bothered voting for the candidates of a party that is a bad as he says it is, and which he says won't win any more elections unless.........

Makes the Democratic Party appear to be a small bunch of self-serving losers that no decent person would want to affiliate with. Heck, Sanders himself doesn't want to identify as a Democrat.

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Bernie has nothing to gain from telling Dems and their supporters to go to hell. [View all] DanTex Jun 2017 OP

I know a lot of people who are just disgusted by the endless bashing. bettyellen Jun 2017 #1

Of Bernie All-In Jun 2017 #21

No, silly! bettyellen Jun 2017 #22

Remember this is Democratic Underground, Trumpocalypse Jun 2017 #59

and NO ONE has to be a democratic to participate here..! kcdoug1 Jun 2017 #127

We support Democrats...why would you be hear if you are not a Democrat? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #167

True Trumpocalypse Jun 2017 #182

Yeah, he is much more important than all Democrats and the Democratic Party. JTFrog Jun 2017 #62

Bernie could take a few lessons from Perriello, who he endorsed, about how you lose gracefully ehrnst Jun 2017 #100

He's Not Capable, The Primary Woke A Sleeping Giant Me. Jun 2017 #110

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #25

Yet those same people have nothing at all to show for all their bluster ... bettyellen Jun 2017 #37

and many of them supporting Trump JI7 Jun 2017 #41

I had one on twitter yesterday. A repub who became a berner.... Kahuna7 Jun 2017 #57

people lie on twitter and facebook all the time. Sunlei Jun 2017 #98

Nah. She was a real nut job. Was wearing a bernie hat in her profile pic. nt Kahuna7 Jun 2017 #166

What does that even mean? Cary Jun 2017 #70

Indeed. Vote Democratic! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #83

Yes for members of the Democratic Party Gothmog Jun 2017 #88

Yeah, let's trash the only effective social and economic justice party, when we can't hijack it. ehrnst Jun 2017 #108

I should think that Bernie's supporters would just want him to talk about issues asiliveandbreathe Jun 2017 #2

How often do you actually listen to him speak publicly? Kentonio Jun 2017 #58

Yes, I guess that if someone keeps trashing you, pointing out all the times that they didn't ehrnst Jun 2017 #101

It is the same speech every time...and he attacks the Democratic Party. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #113

This. n/t ms liberty Jun 2017 #117

Might work better if he couched it in positive terms delisen Jun 2017 #180

I guess it isn't going that poorly Kentonio Jun 2017 #183

I would rate Sanders favorably also, but rate him as ineffective delisen Jun 2017 #185

Thank you Bernie Sanders for all that you do to help Democrats and the party. aikoaiko Jun 2017 #3

+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #16

X 1000 too ... He wants Dems to win snowy owl Jun 2017 #32

HE's NOT a Democrat and he HARMS the Party. Foamfollower Jun 2017 #76

I'm seeing the same thing as you. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #78

Same here Gothmog Jun 2017 #89

If Sanders ran as an independent, THAT would have harmed 'the party' by splitting the vote. Sunlei Jun 2017 #99

How? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #109

because he would have been IN the general election. Sunlei Jun 2017 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author susanna Jun 2017 #184

The vote was split...and I believe it would have been better had he run as an independent. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #114

just the primary, anyone can run in a primary. Hillary wouldn't have won the GE vs the R if Sunlei Jun 2017 #118

I just think some left the Dems and never came back for the election...had he run as an independent Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #123

A distinction without a different outcome. Progressive dog Jun 2017 #158

This! (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #102

Actually, Bernie has been providing very gentle constructive criticism. aikoaiko Jun 2017 #130

It is far from gentle...and I am sick of it. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #168

Fortunately, Democratic party leadership sees the wisdom of having Bernie speak. aikoaiko Jun 2017 #169

They will learn their lesson eventually...that criticism and putting up with it does not attract Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #171

Might as well.. Thank you! Enough of the Orwellian Bullshite Cha Jun 2017 #4

When and where did Bernie say that? kcdoug1 Jun 2017 #5

It's in a response by the OP: ehrnst Jun 2017 #105

Ah, the Pee Wee Gambit. Shrewd debate tactic there. QC Jun 2017 #6

You replied with the usual spam, so it obviously R B Garr Jun 2017 #9

I believe you're correct. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #73

He's done neither of those things melman Jun 2017 #7

Thank you!! Anyone who hesitates to acknowledge that R B Garr Jun 2017 #8

+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #11

+ Infinity sheshe2 Jun 2017 #19

Worse than "not credible" IMHO. I'd have to... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #74

Well said. The other party gains form a weakened, divided Dem party brush Jun 2017 #85

Kick and Rec! sheshe2 Jun 2017 #10

Gee, I must have missed THAT speech elmac Jun 2017 #12

K&R murielm99 Jun 2017 #13

When has Bernie told Dems and their supporters to go to hell? chwaliszewski Jun 2017 #14

Three days ago... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #115

I don't see 'Go To Hell' in there anywhere... chwaliszewski Jun 2017 #134

Really? The Democratic Party is a 'failure' so says Sen. Sanders during the speech...you are Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #146

Thanks for the research, Demsrule! Cha Jun 2017 #137

You are welcome. I don't see how folks miss this...all over the internet...we all saw it. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #144

When I hear BS talk about "absolute failure", I can't help but chuckle. He hasn't been able to... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #141

Not one... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #143

K&R betsuni Jun 2017 #15

You might want to talk to Kamala Harris about that LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #17

This just confirms how much he is propped up R B Garr Jun 2017 #24

"badmouths" LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #119

It's obviously not constructive criticism. It's an attempt to distinguish himself R B Garr Jun 2017 #124

So it's all Bernie's fault kcdoug1 Jun 2017 #128

Forcing your own view of reality isn't discussing and debating. It's just more propping R B Garr Jun 2017 #129

So you'd like him to praise the Democrats, tell them everything is peachy keen LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #164

So back to reality. Insinuating Democrats are corrupt R B Garr Jun 2017 #165

So back to the peachy keen "reality" it is LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #172

The "reality" is the political reality that has kept Bernie from the following in Vermont: R B Garr Jun 2017 #173

I'm sure you know very well that a whole slew of reasons why single payer never passed in Vermont LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #174

The clip about Gore is from 2007. Al Gore championed climate change decades R B Garr Jun 2017 #175

Running in circles LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #176

I'm talking about the political realities that all politicians face. R B Garr Jun 2017 #177

So how long have your served the American people as a senator? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #178

It's true, I'm not a senator. R B Garr Jun 2017 #179

After this morning's events, I feel almost certain that Democrats will begin to put distance.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #142

Well put. Starry Messenger Jun 2017 #152

And when, exactly, has Bernie "told the Dems and their supporters to go to hell?" Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #18

Every time you bitch about Bernie, I wonder if you grasp the meaning of three words.. denbot Jun 2017 #20

... LexVegas Jun 2017 #27

I know right Cha Jun 2017 #30

LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #84

I wonder the same when BS does the same to the Democratic Party Cha Jun 2017 #29

LOL! The Corbyn-led Labour victories... SMC22307 Jun 2017 #23

LOL! Like seeing a nutjob Trump doesn't have R B Garr Jun 2017 #26

Six fucking states... SMC22307 Jun 2017 #31

Do you watch current news? You fail to acknowledge reality R B Garr Jun 2017 #44

Labour did not win. And we will see how they do in the next election. StevieM Jun 2017 #34

If Sanders is the only solution, why don't more of his endorsed candidates win? mythology Jun 2017 #72

Thank you! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #77

How about "Any"? Cha Jun 2017 #151

Lol. Corbyn is a member of his party and actually did the work of gaining support in his party. seaglass Jun 2017 #75

Exactly. Thank you. It's really ... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #80

What does that have to do with anything? Bernie is not Labour, and can't claim a single victory.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #145

Bernie never bashes democracy. I still think Sanders & Clinton would make a good team NOW. Sunlei Jun 2017 #28

BS bashes our Democractic Party.. Constantly. Cha Jun 2017 #35

hehe, I respectively disagree. I love Sanders and think Clinton & Sanders team would have beat the Sunlei Jun 2017 #43

Sorry, it's the reality.. you can deny it all you want. Cha Jun 2017 #46

I'm a Clinton supporter but I think both she and Sanders should embrace elder statewoman/man... brush Jun 2017 #87

Obama has mentored some outstanding younger persons for many years. Sunlei Jun 2017 #92

Maybe, but to many Dems her criticism of Obama was way out of bounds and could be an issue... brush Jun 2017 #93

Obama will back Warren 100% if she runs for anything. Obama was self critical about the same things. Sunlei Jun 2017 #94

True, no one is perfect. But many voters remember things like that. Obama will of course back... brush Jun 2017 #95

when Warren runs again, Republicans will be doing the "chop" again & creating breaking news stories Sunlei Jun 2017 #97

Yep. That's politics. Whoever the nominee is will get that. We have to go back at them even harder. brush Jun 2017 #104

she barely won vs the Republican Juggernaut & they're using MUCH more resources these days. Sunlei Jun 2017 #111

Is she up for re-election in 2018? brush Jun 2017 #116

I think so, probably because Republicans are mocking her about her family heritage story again and Sunlei Jun 2017 #120

I'll donate to her campagin. We don't need to lose her senate seat. brush Jun 2017 #121

It will take more then money for any D to win these midterms if only 38% turnout to vote. Sunlei Jun 2017 #122

I'll be voting a straignt Dem ticket. I'm all the way across the country than Warren though. brush Jun 2017 #125

How can you possibly know that "Obama will back Warren 100%"? I doubt it. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #147

Give it a rest. CentralMass Jun 2017 #33

Obama said, "get a grip" Sunlei Jun 2017 #36

President Obama is also into Reality which is what the OP is about Cha Jun 2017 #39

No it's not melman Jun 2017 #42

Yes it is. Cha Jun 2017 #47

Nope melman Jun 2017 #54

Oh yeah it is. Cha Jun 2017 #55

You're correct. Yes... it... IS!!!!!!!!!!! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #64

I knew it! Cha Jun 2017 #136

I love Obama too, everything he touches is golden, its a gift of his good heart. IMO :) Sunlei Jun 2017 #45

Yes, and there was no way anyone should have Cha Jun 2017 #48

Republican party would have loved that. Look how hard they worked to fuck-up last D primary. Sunlei Jun 2017 #49

Ding! Ding! Ding! That will NEVER be forgotten or forgiven by many of us. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #148

That's what I was just sayin' in another post.. Cha Jun 2017 #149

You tell 'em, Dan! Cha Jun 2017 #38

Thanks, bernie, for encouraging DNC to get back to base snowy owl Jun 2017 #40

Our Democratic Base Got out and Voted for Lt Gov Cha Jun 2017 #50

Wow! That really says a lot. Very revealing. There's a message in that... but are people listening? NurseJackie Jun 2017 #66

I hope so! Cha Jun 2017 #135

That was just a primary? is he running against anyone for Governer? Sunlei Jun 2017 #107

It's "skepticism", with a dash of distrust. I don't trust that the good of the party is his #1... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #153

Yeah, you're so correct! Cha Jun 2017 #155

Keep it up Bernie hueymahl Jun 2017 #51

These threads Lazy Daisy Jun 2017 #52

Democrats aren't buying what Bernie is selling SecularMotion Jun 2017 #60

So myself Lazy Daisy Jun 2017 #68

I'm not going to play your divisive games SecularMotion Jun 2017 #69

Games indeed. You have... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #82

There is no your truth or my truth. Trumpocalypse Jun 2017 #61

Oh baloney Lazy Daisy Jun 2017 #71

Heard enough of that bullshit for the last year and a half. JTFrog Jun 2017 #103

Well said!!! nt Trumpocalypse Jun 2017 #181

I'd call that a big FAIL. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author brachism Jun 2017 #53

Not a Bernie fan. larry budwell Jun 2017 #56

:-) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #65

Amen! Constant attacks and smears and denigrating the party serves no useful purpose. It... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #63

In case people are wondering why your OP mcar Jun 2017 #79

Sanders wrote an excellent opinion piece and I agree with him on all those points. Sunlei Jun 2017 #96

Actually, Bernie reminds me of the anti-New Deal progressives Hortensis Jun 2017 #159

Oh JHC.. maybe he should look in the mirror. Cha Jun 2017 #150

Tweets on this.. BS attacks Dems.. Cha Jun 2017 #154

Thanks Cha! mcar Jun 2017 #156

.. Cha Jun 2017 #157

I agree, but why is he telling Dems to go to hell? I don't get him...n/t asuhornets Jun 2017 #81

Great thread Gothmog Jun 2017 #86

What Does Bernie Hope to Accomplish with His Democratic Party Bashing? dlk Jun 2017 #90

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #91

Sure he does.. it keeps us fighting about him nini Jun 2017 #106

He hasn't done that, because we have nothing to gain from that. If he were telling the party to JCanete Jun 2017 #126

Black Voters Will Be Democratic Kingmakers in 2020 Gothmog Jun 2017 #133

Mahalo for this article, Goth! Cha Jun 2017 #138

I was pleased to see the base of the party turn out so strongly Gothmog Jun 2017 #160

It's very Encouraging! Like Lt Gov Ralph Northam Cha Jun 2017 #162

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #131

I love the results of the Virginia primary Gothmog Jun 2017 #132

Yes! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #139

Just as I have nothing to gain from pretending he told anyone to go to hell. LanternWaste Jun 2017 #140

I hope the Democratic Party stops enabling Bernie NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #161

I know... worst mistake ever. Cha Jun 2017 #170

You're right. That means he's telling truth despite the personal consequences Arazi Jun 2017 #163