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Lee-Lee

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14. It's not spin, it's that the whole issue needs to be discussed and studied
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 09:13 AM
Jun 2017

Focusing on defensive use of guns without studying misuse and focusing on misuse without studying legitimate defensive uses are both flawed ways of thinking.

The goal should be the minimization of misuse while not placing obstacles in the patch of beneficial defensive use.

Part of the problem is even when funded it's hard to study defensive use. Misuse is easy- statstics are readily collected on shootings and things like armed robbery. Most defensive uses never result in a person being shot so it's much harder to study. There are no good statistics kept by police departments and they don't get nearly the same level of press coverage.

Another part of that is the wildly different standards used in defining what a defensive gun use is. Some of the more restrictive studies that place the number as low only counted incidents where a person was actually shot and it was ruled self defense, ignoring the vast majority of cases where the gun isn't fired. Other swing too far the other way.

This series of articles does a good job of future discussing the problem of quantifying defensive gun uses.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/9/17/1238623/-Defensive-Gun-Use-The-CDC-Report-on-Gun-Violence

I can tell you from my time as a Sheriff's deputy I saw more defensive uses of firearms than I saw misuse. But that was one rural southern county and you can't extrapolate that to the nation as a whole.

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Additional details at this link Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #1
Let's all ignore masses of data we DON'T like and instead focus on rare anecdotes that we DO like. Towlie Jun 2017 #18
Like ignoring all the defensive uses of guns and focusing on only misuse? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #21
It's nice to hear one positive outcome, BUT . . . on June 15, 25 people died as a result of gun Vinca Jun 2017 #2
Focus on the causes of the violence, not the implementation method Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #3
There's no good way to spin this, but nice try. Vinca Jun 2017 #5
It's not spin, it's that the whole issue needs to be discussed and studied Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #14
Yeah, it's spin, and bullshit. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #26
You mean like Jamaica or Mexico where firearms are... EX500rider Jun 2017 #31
No, I mean like in Japan or the UK or Canada or France or any other advanced, developed country Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #32
Actually the argument is stricter guns laws... EX500rider Jun 2017 #33
Except they do in other developed countries. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #34
Then the question is it society or the guns laws that drive that? EX500rider Jun 2017 #35
Which pretty clearly displays your astounding ignorance, honestly Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #36
Please... EX500rider Jun 2017 #37
It's largely due to economics, poverty, weak central government and inefficient police, actually Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #38
And yet Indonesia has a lower homicide rate then all those countries... EX500rider Jun 2017 #40
Interestingly about 80% of firearm homicide in the Us are drug/gang related too Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #44
Yeah, even the capture of these murderers isn't really a defensive use of a firearm. But NRA will Hoyt Jun 2017 #13
Not a defensive use? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #19
The police were on their tail. The fugitives were stealing a car, not breaking into a house. Hoyt Jun 2017 #25
NRA Moran Bullshit jpak Jun 2017 #15
Would not the corollary be true as well? LanternWaste Jun 2017 #24
The capture wasn't a crime or violence Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #27
I don't have a problem with having a gun at home to protect yourself. Trust Buster Jun 2017 #4
Does the answer to any of those questions change anything ? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #16
+1000 kacekwl Jun 2017 #28
Very nice....great news they were captured. jmg257 Jun 2017 #6
Then there's this guy malaise Jun 2017 #7
Looks like we can chalk up another one in the "good guy" column, ExciteBike66 Jun 2017 #8
If those that support reasonable gun control safeinOhio Jun 2017 #9
That "way" is fantasy still with today's technology Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #11
If the NRA invested 1/10 safeinOhio Jun 2017 #17
How does the NRA block private development Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #20
No one thought cars could get the mileage they do now. safeinOhio Jun 2017 #29
And it didn't happen overnight Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #30
The story reads like it was a homeowner and neighbor who Ilsa Jun 2017 #10
Another news source: Ilsa Jun 2017 #12
And another anecdote that proves the anecdote. GoneOffShore Jun 2017 #22
The two corrections officers should have been armed. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #23
I am not sure one case MyNameGoesHere Jun 2017 #39
On another note, Hale, the homeowner and gun owner, didn't shoot them. Alea Jun 2017 #41
OH NO! It wasn't the homeowners gun, it was Jesus HAB911 Jun 2017 #42
Goes to show the inaccuracies of news reports Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #43
Yep, didn't even pull, or need, his gun. The fugitives just gave up because they were tired, hungry Hoyt Jun 2017 #45
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