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lumberjack_jeff

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102. Define "work".

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:16 PM

Jul 2012

But that's true. They write their own overtime checks. 7 guys can't man the station house TV 24x7 when they each have 4 weeks of vacation each year, but more staff wouldn't help when every call becomes overtime because the guy manning the station doesn't leave for a call... it's a public safety issue, you know.

The last guy who retired had a 13 months of vacation accrued and went out on disability. He now runs his contracting/homebuilding business fulltime while keeping 80%(?) of his peak earnings as a disability benefit.
The guy before that also had more than a year of accrued vacation... before he went out on disability too.

YMMV. Your husband's situation may be different than the one I know. My town is a Democratic town, and the firefighters are the most vigorous of republicans.

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FIREFIGHTERS TO BE PAID MINIMUM WAGE [View all] madashelltoo Jul 2012 OP

That should sit really well with the firefighters. Don't expect them to be risking their lives teddy51 Jul 2012 #1

Every one of them will need to quit and find a job that can pay them enough to live on. Marrah_G Jul 2012 #8

Fast food pays more than this obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #85

Bingo Marrah_G Jul 2012 #96

Then you really don't know anything about us do you? permatex Jul 2012 #60

Sorry, no offense intended and I am on your side, but this sucks big time that they would teddy51 Jul 2012 #62

No offense taken permatex Jul 2012 #64

And just to add, nobody in their right mind would expect a Firefighter to work for minimum teddy51 Jul 2012 #65

Nobody except Rmoney. permatex Jul 2012 #66

I did say "in their right mind". lol teddy51 Jul 2012 #72

I do, volunteer paramedic south of the border for ten years nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #68

You are right permatex Jul 2012 #71

By the way "Welcome to DU" the home of the happy campers, (sometimes). teddy51 Jul 2012 #73

Thank you for the warm welcome. permatex Jul 2012 #75

What he said. freshwest Jul 2012 #77

Thank you. permatex Jul 2012 #78

Well I know nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #74

So how do you put food on the table, working for free? Zalatix Jul 2012 #90

Who said I worked for free? permatex Jul 2012 #94

No, but many have families and mortgages and bills Marrah_G Jul 2012 #97

Every Reason To Vote GOP In Pennsylvania. TheMastersNemesis Jul 2012 #2

A perfectly sane choice. Blue Owl Jul 2012 #101

I disagree. Minimum wage isn't even enough to keep a family housed and fed. NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #3

Also, if you have no children or any dreams or hobbies. dmr Jul 2012 #14

Yes but that is only if both parents work only 40 hours a week. zeemike Jul 2012 #28

If minimum wage had kept up with CEO pay since the mid 90s CrispyQ Jul 2012 #95

I looked at the article and must have missed the firefighters bit riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #4

Here's an accurate link tammywammy Jul 2012 #5

Despicable. jaded_old_cynic Jul 2012 #9

Their police chief left Friday for a better job.... Historic NY Jul 2012 #15

I'll bet it is going to privatized services. notadmblnd Jul 2012 #27

Security job positions would pay better obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #86

Put in the wrong link madashelltoo Jul 2012 #12

An important story, please fix your link. (nt) enough Jul 2012 #6

Every firefighter, cop, emt, etc in the country needs to see this Marrah_G Jul 2012 #7

Wrong. They don't want a minimum wage at all. They want us all working for kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #24

true Marrah_G Jul 2012 #51

I'm so going to moon that asswipe if I ever see him on the streets of Harrisburg. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #10

Just so you know ... Historic NY Jul 2012 #18

Yeah, Harrisburg has its own financial problems. Corbett doesn't give a shit. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #47

So a firefighter could get the same amount as AsahinaKimi Jul 2012 #11

Actually, Less Bettie Jul 2012 #20

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #30

At least be honest and acknowledge that the fire fighters work 40 hours plus Live and Learn Jul 2012 #33

No, they don't. blueamy66 Jul 2012 #36

Although things differ per union negotiation in local governments Live and Learn Jul 2012 #42

I don't have the time to work for others to get paid fairly. I just know what I know. blueamy66 Jul 2012 #43

Don't smoke in bed. aquart Jul 2012 #45

I don't smoke in bed....never smoked a day in my life blueamy66 Jul 2012 #52

Well fortunately 4 u, you're not paying anything 4 the dead ones in NYC MichiganVote Jul 2012 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #54

sorry, but for most, it is a cake job blueamy66 Jul 2012 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #98

A CAKE JOB? permatex Jul 2012 #61

You had a worst schedule than my locals nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #70

Not just a cake job, but a sort of apple tart-y kind of job. closeupready Jul 2012 #89

I have no idea what FF that was nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #69

And how many of those 24 hours is actual firefighting done? blueamy66 Jul 2012 #83

Really... nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #88

I'm sure it's different in different areas. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #100

Define "work". lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #102

The getting paid to sleep meme Live and Learn Jul 2012 #104

If your shift is 24 on 48 off, you're getting paid while asleep. nt lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #106

more info here.... sweetapogee Jul 2012 #13

Mayor Doherty sweetapogee Jul 2012 #16

Might as well get their emegency workers from a day labor agency. lpbk2713 Jul 2012 #17

guess what? sweetapogee Jul 2012 #19

typically volunteer firefighters work in their own neighborhoods & (as i know from our own rural HiPointDem Jul 2012 #32

I appreciate your thoughts sweetapogee Jul 2012 #39

The same training and desire, JoeyT Jul 2012 #35

as an EMT sweetapogee Jul 2012 #44

"would not pay my expenses" = you don't do it for the love? HiPointDem Jul 2012 #103

And the Philadelphia FOP (Police Local #5) endorsed Crotchbett BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #21

Scranton appears to be between a rock and a very, very hard place. Marooned Jul 2012 #22

JFI, minimum wage is NOT "just enough to stay alive" really for anyone. Lionessa Jul 2012 #23

Exactly, the only good that might come from this Live and Learn Jul 2012 #34

30+ years of voodoo economics. pansypoo53219 Jul 2012 #25

+1 aquart Jul 2012 #46

That's not fair to all the Ouija board users in congress. L0oniX Jul 2012 #53

I think I know a city that won't have any fire emergency service soon. notadmblnd Jul 2012 #26

The firefighters need to walk en masse. Vinca Jul 2012 #29

FD union contracts almost always have a no strike clause permatex Jul 2012 #63

Maybe if a couple of mansions catch fire... cbrer Jul 2012 #31

Fuck the GOP - their brutal assault on government employees has to stop. Initech Jul 2012 #37

This is the unilateral action of a Democratic mayor hack89 Jul 2012 #38

IAFF - that's what it's all about. If there wasn't a Union supporting the rights of firefighters jillan Jul 2012 #40

maybe sweetapogee Jul 2012 #48

I wouldn't pay a cut rate for brain surgery Aerows Jul 2012 #41

again my passion... sweetapogee Jul 2012 #49

I appreciate your input Aerows Jul 2012 #56

GOP shill quote: Why should they get more than a Chinese fire fighter gets? L0oniX Jul 2012 #50

So if they mayor's house is burning the firefighters can do a minimum wage job putting it out? liberal N proud Jul 2012 #55

what's with thread titles all in caps lately.? Otherwise, good topic Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #57

They should ALL quit Politicalboi Jul 2012 #59

There would be 8000 more ready to go to work in a heartbeat. blueamy66 Jul 2012 #81

What's next, privatizing the department? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #67

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2012 #76

The sad thing is that if the minimum wage was even reflective of current financial realities... AJTheMan Jul 2012 #79

There's Pennsylvania BEFORE e-voting and Pennsylvania AFTER e-voting... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #82

This is horrible and stupid. yardwork Jul 2012 #84

Just adding that many are paid around the clock Puzzledtraveller Jul 2012 #87

That is just too damn crazy Whisp Jul 2012 #91

Oil and gas cos are spending billions in PA elehhhhna Jul 2012 #92

Uh; greiner3 Jul 2012 #93

We need to always fight to raise minimum wage. Cobalt Violet Jul 2012 #105