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In reply to the discussion: Why did Bernie join Rand Paul in voting against new Russian sanctions? [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)64. elections have barely had consequences for republicans. We got 8 years of obstruction. I am
all for our politicians not sacrificing the American people at the altar of that tit-for-tat game, but sacrificing them at the altar of "elections have consequences" is even more disturbing to me. I'm not saying this bill does that, although generally speaking, there's got to be something wrong with a bill that almost all Republicans sign onto, particularly when, as you say, they are in control. But then maybe not. This could be one of the few times that's not the case. I'm just saying that "well it was going to pass anyway" doesn't give me any confidence in our system. I want to know who helped to get it passed and by what narrow margin it succeeded. I don't want the convolution of these vote parsings.
As to Chomsky, I agree with him, its a very very risky approach to opt out and risk a Trump Presidency, and after the convention, I came down on the same side of things. That said, being as certain as he is suggests more confidence in the direction our machinery has been taking us than I have. Trump's viability is a symptom of something horribly wrong with our system. That something has been mostly ignored by Democrats as well as all of the Republicans, and now here we are. Had we gotten Clinton, maybe we'd be here in 4 or 8 years. The argument for Trump was never that he's such a monster people will wake up, its always been that he's an incompetent one, and maybe he'll be so brutish and stupid that we'll all get a peak behind the curtain, and that wakes us the fuck up.
That said, yeah, I think it was the wrong call too. I just don't hate on people for making it.
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Why did Bernie join Rand Paul in voting against new Russian sanctions? [View all]
pnwmom
Jun 2017
OP
Where did I get the "notion" that you said Sanders and Paul are the ONLY principled statespersons
EffieBlack
Jun 2017
#66
Everyone should be required to kick a post from earlier in the day before posting in GD.
L. Coyote
Jun 2017
#50
Former SOS John Kerry seems to think that new sanctions on Iran could be dangerous.
Autumn
Jun 2017
#49
Sanders says the reason he voted against it was because he was concerned that the
still_one
Jun 2017
#16
I understand that. It is a difference of opinion. I don't think this will affect the Iran
still_one
Jun 2017
#38
Where did I say he wasn't? I simply stated I do not believe his assessment is correct, and
still_one
Jun 2017
#57
oh how I hate the "even if all democrats had voted no" arguments. That is so much wiggle room
JCanete
Jun 2017
#54
I wasn't arguing that, I was just afriming what the poster I was responding to said. The fact that
still_one
Jun 2017
#61
elections have barely had consequences for republicans. We got 8 years of obstruction. I am
JCanete
Jun 2017
#64
If every sngle Democratic Senator voted yes, including E. Warren and K. Harris...
Hekate
Jun 2017
#43
He said he wanted solidarity with Iran as it was attacked and he didn't want to risk
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#48