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hfojvt

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18. usually you defend yourself from a gun
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:52 PM
Jul 2012

by putting your hands up and saying 'please don't shoot me'. Punching a guy with a gun is more likely to get you shot unless you knock them out or grab the gun. Taking a big chance either way, when the armed person might easily have no intention of shooting.

Point is that if "being followed" is seen as a justification for Trayvon beating the crap out of Zimmerman then it can just as easily be used as a justification for Trayvon, had he been armed, to have shot Zimmerman. That is the argument being made, because Trayvon felt threatened, he is free to attack.

Well, then the same argument would apply for an armed white guy being followed by a black guy. To feel threatened, and blow that guy away and claim he was "standing his ground". Is that really a path we want to walk down?

So the argument here is

being followed = serious threat allowing Trayvon to stand his ground
and
getting his nose broken and being pummelled = no threat at all, not allowing Zimmerman to stand his ground. I guess because he could have slithered away on his back, no doubt leaving a thick layer of slime as he went.

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I haven't commented on this very sad episode but this is 100% correct: Zimmerman was stalking byeya Jul 2012 #1
Yes, stalking is following in a theatening manner. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #2
Zman then chased him with a gun uponit7771 Jul 2012 #3
If I thought a man was chasing me with a gun LynneSin Jul 2012 #5
Are you of the school that Zimmerman was brandishing the weapon while walking? slackmaster Jul 2012 #10
Doesn't matter whether Martin saw a weapon or not. GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #32
This case is all about common sense. Everything that happened after Zimmerman pacalo Jul 2012 #4
I still have not had my question answered: Zimmerman said louis-t Jul 2012 #6
Here is a good summary, WP blog... uppityperson Jul 2012 #7
It sounds like this is the direction the lead prosecutor is taking. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #8
The defense will admit that Zimmerman was following Travon, but lost sight of him and broke off... slackmaster Jul 2012 #9
Are you of the school that Trayvon came out of the shadows and attacked Zimmerman? uppityperson Jul 2012 #28
No. I believe the defense will claim an interval of disengagement... slackmaster Jul 2012 #33
Which do you believe? uppityperson Jul 2012 #34
I believe Zimmerman is morally responsible for a needless death because he started the confrontation slackmaster Jul 2012 #38
thank you uppityperson Jul 2012 #39
Trayvon's actions would be a clear abuse of SYG hfojvt Jul 2012 #11
The follower was the guy with the fucking GUN! DevonRex Jul 2012 #13
How did he know that Zimmerman had a gun? slackmaster Jul 2012 #15
usually you defend yourself from a gun hfojvt Jul 2012 #18
Trayvon didn't beat the crap out of Zimmerman Daalalou Jul 2012 #37
AND why do you correlate Trayvon to the robbers? DevonRex Jul 2012 #16
for a couple of reasons - anecdotally hfojvt Jul 2012 #20
That is totally fucked-up reasoning, man. It makes NO sense. Nt DevonRex Jul 2012 #22
"perhaps Trayvon could have just answered a few questions"... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #27
"Martin" is Trayvon. Do you mean Zimmerman? uppityperson Jul 2012 #29
Oops! I will correct it, thx. n/t ljm2002 Jul 2012 #35
Trying to help? NO! Self appointed wannabe. Neighbourhood Watch... TheMadMonk Jul 2012 #40
Wow that's a rather bizarre mental process on display... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #23
The reasoning got worse, too. I'm speechless. Nt DevonRex Jul 2012 #25
Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman. uppityperson Jul 2012 #30
Your TRUNK was robbed of tennis balls and you want the person SHOT??? DevonRex Jul 2012 #26
I'd rather not live in a society where someone is shot for taking a couple tennis balls. Good grief. uppityperson Jul 2012 #31
There's an attitude in the South Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #12
Kinda like that episode of MASH LynneSin Jul 2012 #17
I remember that one. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #21
Absolutely! AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #14
All true but irrelevent hack89 Jul 2012 #19
Yep, K & R. nt mother earth Jul 2012 #24
But "these assholes always get away" nt Incitatus Jul 2012 #36
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