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In reply to the discussion: Personally... I Think Cenk Is Correct... [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)21. It's
"Personally... I Think Cenk Is Correct..."
...a stupid idea, one that could be easily contrued by the media as a vote of no confidence. They could make hay of this for the rest of the election cycle, and there is nothing Cenk or anyone can do about it. There are still a lot of undecided voters, and the GOP caususes are in focus. Why go there. There are a lot of ways to pressure the administration, this in simply dumb. There was pressure to veto the foreclosure bill and pressure to reject the Keystone pipeline.
Still, given the snip in the OP and this is about "civil liberties, why did he feel it necessary to include these moronic assertions:
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I follow politics for a living; I'm not unaware of how hideous the Republican choices are. But that doesn't mean that we should pretend that President Obama has been brilliant because we're scared of the big, bad Republicans. That would be fundamentally dishonest.
I follow politics for a living; I'm not unaware of how hideous the Republican choices are. But that doesn't mean that we should pretend that President Obama has been brilliant because we're scared of the big, bad Republicans. That would be fundamentally dishonest.
Who is pretending Obama is "brilliant because we're scared of the big, bad Republicans"?
And to be honest, I'm really disappointed that he does not have a primary opponent. This country is dying for someone who is going to take on the establishment. Who is that going to be on our side - Barack Obama? On that, I know whether to laugh or cry. Every time I think about the idea that President Obama might be against the establishment, I laugh and laugh and laugh. There is never been a guy who was this enamored with the establishment. If he had wrestling nickname it would be The Establishment.
Doesn't sound like a protest vote over NDAA
The guy who appointed Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke, Larry Summers, Rahm Emanuel and Bill Daley (and a list of hundreds of others, including two new Fed appointments, one of which is a Republican who worked for the Carlyle Group) is not a guy who is interested in changing the system at all. Change was a cutesy slogan he used to trick us into thinking he was on our side.
Well, that line certainly didn't attract a lot of people to his side, and might explain the more than 160 troll-ratings he got.
I would have loved a progressive alternative, but apparently we are not going to get one (except for Rocky Anderson running on the Justice Party ticket). Primaries are the perfect place to send a message without taking away votes in the general election. But it didn't happen because the Democratic establishment says we must fall in line because we wouldn't want to hurt the agenda of the president. The agenda of the president sucks and is deeply Republican. I'd love to at least get him to reconsider that agenda for a second.
OK, that line alone earned my characterization of Cenk as a moron.
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I hear this kind of thing prefaced by 'I think' and it makes me want facts to back it up. I
roguevalley
Dec 2011
#29
I agree that we need to preface statements with "I think" if we're just stating our
gateley
Dec 2011
#73
Your attempt to besmirch Cenk as a "puppet ...spewing RW ideology" is laughable.
99th_Monkey
Dec 2011
#40
The icons will also work if you remember their codes and if you preface them with
rusty fender
Dec 2011
#55
Don't mind me. Just joining in the pile on that you apparently brought upon yourself
Number23
Dec 2011
#76
"Perhaps I haven't consumed enough Cenk kool-aide - which seems to be flowing freely here."
Number23
Dec 2011
#79
I think Cenk is WRONG. Folks in Iowa need to caucus FOR President Obama and show support! n/t
Tx4obama
Dec 2011
#3
"Showing support" means rubberstamping policy that is against the grain, at the least.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2011
#8
It's stupid because if you don't support Obama for those reasons than you can always vote 3rd party
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#11
Start with electing Congresspeople who share your vision. All politics is local.
FarLeftFist
Dec 2011
#15
Until we can eliminate the big money from politics, there is no electing left candidates...
rfranklin
Dec 2011
#22
If you think for a moment that a president Ron Paul would actually do a damned thing about
Dewey Finn
Dec 2011
#20
What you are saying is that members of the party must always Step In Line. No internal democracy.
Leopolds Ghost
Dec 2011
#67
i'm shocked that you'd support something to damage the president heading into an election...
dionysus
Dec 2011
#38
voting for uncommitted in a caucus is the most sensible and rational alternative for progressives
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2011
#49
Your wish will not be granted. Obama will be reelected. What will you do then?
MjolnirTime
Jan 2012
#81
Then what is the hubbub and gnashing if teeth about? Why the claims of calamity about a show of
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#89
I'm not in Iowa so this doesn't apply to me but I have no problem with this.
riderinthestorm
Jan 2012
#90