Does everyone agree that this is the real split in the Dem party? And at DU?

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35. Oversimplified, but in big terms, yes. Note that most left-wing

messages today ARE Democratic Party/liberal ideas, though.

Genuinely radical changes, like yet another extremist experiment in government-forced replacement of capitalism with socialism, have no chance, even within our party alone, because the mainstream left not only far outnumbers the radical and extremist left but is far more functional and stable.

As for corruption, that's what people who want to take power ALWAYS claim about those they want to take it from. Considering all the rampant corrupting influences around these days, Democrats are remarkably dedicated to the democratic principles and policies our counterparts succeeded in establishing our new nation on against great resistance.

Very unlike Republicans, who've become extremely corrupted by extremists and have been warped into abandoning their former conservative political principles, our actions are guided by and never vary far from strong liberal principles that arose with the Enlightenment and were built into our constitution.

But pointing out that great truth -- the greatness and vital importance of liberalism, and thus the people of the Democratic Party, to the wellbeing of our nation -- would "only" benefit the republic for which we stand. Not the archconservatives who've taken over the Republican Party, not Republican voters who've become addicted to their kool-aid, not media profiteers who thrive on sowing and sensationizing dissension, and, sadly, not the frustrated anti-Democrat left who've never achieved power because they intrinsically lack what it takes to form winning coalitions and run a nation founded on liberal democratic principles. (Just check out what John Adams and FDR, as well as many others, had to say about them in their days.)