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In reply to the discussion: Occupy Wall Street Banned From Democratic National Convention [View all]frazzled
(18,402 posts)79. Every Democratic Convention in recent history has restricted protesters
So this is not just about OWS.
Okay, I was living in Boston in 2004, so I remember this (as well as the snipers that I saw on all the rooftops for blocks around the convention hall):
Protesters at this summer's Democratic National Convention in Boston may be confined to a cozy triangle of land off Haymarket Square, blocked off from the FleetCenter and convention delegates by a maze of Central Artery service roads, MBTA train tracks, and a temporary parking lot holding scores of buses and media trucks.
Under a preliminary plan floated by convention organizers, the "free-speech zone" would be a small plot bounded by Green Line tracks and North Washington Street, in an area that until recently was given over to the elevated artery. The zone would hold as few as 400 of the several thousand protesters who are expected in Boston in late July.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/02/20/convention_plan_puts_protesters_blocks_away/
Under a preliminary plan floated by convention organizers, the "free-speech zone" would be a small plot bounded by Green Line tracks and North Washington Street, in an area that until recently was given over to the elevated artery. The zone would hold as few as 400 of the several thousand protesters who are expected in Boston in late July.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/02/20/convention_plan_puts_protesters_blocks_away/
Denver? Voila:
The fence around the public demonstration zone outside the Democratic National Convention will be chicken wire or chain link, authorities revealed in U.S. District Court today.
That may allow protestors to be seen and heard by delegates going in and out of the Pepsi Center during the convention.
But the American Civil Liberties Union and several advocacy groups have filed an amended complaint to their lawsuit against the U.S. Secret Service and the city and county of Denver that says protestors and demonstrators may have their First Amendment rights violated by security restrictions.
The ACLU has said it wants to avoid the conditions that existed during the 2004 convention in Boston, where protesters were caged, infuriating First Amendment advocates.
Read more: DNC protests will be behind fence - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9744092#ixzz1gH3aMrgi
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That may allow protestors to be seen and heard by delegates going in and out of the Pepsi Center during the convention.
But the American Civil Liberties Union and several advocacy groups have filed an amended complaint to their lawsuit against the U.S. Secret Service and the city and county of Denver that says protestors and demonstrators may have their First Amendment rights violated by security restrictions.
The ACLU has said it wants to avoid the conditions that existed during the 2004 convention in Boston, where protesters were caged, infuriating First Amendment advocates.
Read more: DNC protests will be behind fence - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9744092#ixzz1gH3aMrgi
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As for the city restricting camping, I'm getting a little tired of hearing supposed progressives equating their right to free speech with a right to camp overnight. I mean, that's as ridiculous as the Supreme Court resolutions that we've opposed over the years that equate free speech with money.
Protest as much as is needed between the hours of, say 7 am and 11 pm, but camping overnight in public spaces without permits is not a god-given right. Just as anti-abortion activists are (rightly) not allowed to protest within a certain distance of clinics, I think it's reasonable for cities to determine whether OWS activists should be allowed to gather (and cook and sleep and, god forbid, drum) at certain times of night. And, oh yeah, you're not being discriminated against if you have to get a permit to protest somewhere ... just like people who want to have a group picnic for their organization in a park have to get a permit.
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Occupy is protest Obama's fundraising and Democrats as much as Republicans
texshelters
Dec 2011
#162
And unfortunately that sounds like an open invitation to do just that. Dare me anyone?
jwirr
Dec 2011
#30
Exactly it was their decision & they had to know it would cause problems...........
Historic NY
Dec 2011
#135
Good Point, McCamy. I do expect Chicago '68. The pot is bubbling...and they make it worse.
KoKo
Dec 2011
#13
And still a good possibility if nothing is done about the voting machines...
Xtraneous
Dec 2011
#136
Its the republicans who are tearing this country up, not the democrats. It's like getting killed by
demosincebirth
Dec 2011
#138
Your thoughts on the RW republicans and your preference to replace "They all must go."?
demosincebirth
Dec 2011
#183
Those who met violence with violence -- people like the SDS -- helped bring on the Nixon years.
pnwmom
Dec 2011
#115
Yeah, it's a shame the Democratic party refuses to learn any lessons from history
no limit
Dec 2011
#54
"the movement would be better off going after the gigantic financial institutions"
Occulus
Dec 2011
#89
Actually it went quite well if you were committed to ending the war. nt.
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2011
#111
I agree with you. Some are trying to create the same senario as 1968 and
demosincebirth
Dec 2011
#137
These two posts are telling. I was not happy about the location of the convention and now it seems
jwirr
Dec 2011
#32
Having been around for a while I assume they are trying to avoid another Chicago 1968. It might
jwirr
Dec 2011
#29
They are not elected and they should be invited guests otherwise you have just ended the system
jwirr
Dec 2011
#155
What does anybody expect? First the party pisses off the unions -- AGAIN -- by picking a right-to-
Brickbat
Dec 2011
#35
Mare Daley: Da police ain't here to create disorder. Da police is here to preserve disorder.
ChairmanAgnostic
Dec 2011
#51
Please explain how the Charlotte City Council is actually secretly the DNC. With links.
emulatorloo
Dec 2011
#52
The point is, why did the Dems choose to hold the Convention there? There have been objections
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#140
Well, I didn't say they chose it because of OWS. I said, they now need to make a statement
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#172
And anywhere George W. Bush went - anywhere plus a buffer of one or two miles, that is.
kenny blankenship
Dec 2011
#75
It was Blaine the mono, from King's "The Dark Tower III: The Wastelands"; the context is even apt
Occulus
Dec 2011
#93
One thing that people who did not live during the Great Depression do not understand -
truedelphi
Dec 2011
#106
Where in the 1st Amendment is there is a time limit on when Citizens can exercise their right to
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#141
Did you think that everyone in an occupation camp was sleeping at the same time?
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#171
Same old faces, same outcomes: Daley, Sr., and Daley, Jr. heckling at the Democratic Convention '68
leveymg
Dec 2011
#80
This was genned up by the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce to stimulate motel/hotel
bertman
Dec 2011
#125
I have seen one of the organizers from Charlotte on TV. He was very impressive and
sabrina 1
Dec 2011
#173