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Moostache

(11,302 posts)
18. People NOT voting are more important than messages...
Wed Jun 21, 2017, 11:05 AM
Jun 2017

The bottom line is Truman was right some 70+ years ago....given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat acting like a Republican, the voters will always choose the Republican. Faking it or selling out core principles to chase votes is a losing idea.

1) Start saying this with me right now...SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE.

It needs to be a mantra and a common ground principle for the party. The price of admission to the Democratic Party is you are full-throated supporting the RIGHT of EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN to basic healthcare and emergency services to save their life when possible.

The Democrats need an issue and an identity that they are willing to "go to the mattresses" for...if not healthcare, then what? The "we're not as bad as the GOP / we're NOT Trump" message has been found wanting...we need a banner, a rallying cry, a mantra.

As the polling shows, the public's appetite for taking away health care instead of making it better is about as popular as rancid meat. The way forward has ALWAYS been a push to remove the profit motive from health care and life or death decisions. I have a friend who nearly died from an imminently treatable affliction that became a crisis because he lacked health insurance, ended up in an ER for a life threatening situation and was subsequently ruined by a $65,000 bill that he has no chance of ever paying - ruining his credit, his ability to move or find new housing and essentially sapping him of the will to live in general. What's the point of trying to build a future when your present is a shit show and the bill for that shit show is going to ruin you for decades to come?

This is the best we can do? Allowing citizens to have their lives destroyed by illness, by fate, by bad luck? Allowing greed to put up barriers of profit siphoning between patients and doctors in the form of the insurance company middle man, hand out for a cut of the money? The imagery should NOT be one of "government inefficiency" but rather one of "private profiteering". The argument should not be based around anything but the lack of material impact the insurance provides versus the amount of healthcare it deprives as a result of the need to feed the overhead instead of attend to patient's needs.

2) Get Joe Kennedy into campaign mode NOW!

The hope of the Democratic Party lies in his hands in my opinion. I have seen him deliver some passionate speeches in Congress and while some may say he needs more seasoning and time to grow, I say there is no possible greater contrast to offer the nation than a Kennedy taking on 75 year old pasty ass Trump in 2020...or Pence if events take Donnie 2 Scoops out prior to the voting...

We need a fresh face, one with passion and vigor and yes, name recognition. We need a standard bearer with the fire of Sanders, the smarts of Clinton and the passion of their bases rolled into one...in my eyes, that man is Joseph Kennedy.

3) Expunge any and all "Blue Dogs" from the party

If you are not a full Democrat that can be counted on to toe the party line and stay with the party just like these GOP bastards, then go join the other team or go it alone. We have to stop allowing the party to be riven by the craven opportunists that are really nothing more than spineless GOP wannabes and enablers anyway. I won't name names here, but there are too many still around that need to go and go quickly, as in the next 90 days...the campaign mindset of just pointing out how mean the GOP is also has to go...

4) FIGHT the perception that "Government IS the problem" already!!!

Goddamn that Reagan era bullshit...it is STILL an effective sound bite and accepted mantra for the right and it is and always has been total BULLSHIT!!! Our government is of, by and for THE PEOPLE....we have allowed the corporations and business interests to cynically buy seats in congress, buy chairman's gavels and sell out the PEOPLE, but the GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE FUCKING PROBLEM....the piece of shit PEOPLE WE ALLOW IN THE GOVERNMENT ARE THE PROBLEM!!!

There has never been an adequate rebuttal of this horse shit proposition from the Democratic Party...the closest we have is the little montage from "The West Wing" that Lawrence O'Donnell wrote:

What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican party?
I’ll tell you what they did.
Liberals got women the right to vote.
Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote.
Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty.
Liberals ended segregation.
Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act.
Liberals created Medicare.
Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act.

What did conservatives do?
They opposed them on every one of those things, ­every one.

So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work, Senator.

Because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.




Government of the people, by the people and for the people is the fundamental IDEA of America...it is what we should be fighting to maintain. We have allowed the discussion to devolve from WHO is in charge to whether or not the government should be there at all (which is a disingenuous dodge by the fascists and plutocrats of the Right....they want government alright, just one that services ONLY their needs and not the needs of the nation as a whole).

Its time to stop that nonsensical "role of government" canard and start fighting a more visceral campaign to redefine not the role of government but the COMPOSITION of the government. We allow the GOP a free pass to use the government and its power to strip away rights and freedoms and to define morality and right/wrong in their own religious-tinged light....NO MORE DAMMIT!!!

What is the role of government in the lives of the people? It is everything and everywhere and that is NOT changing...only the way it is used has been changed in the last 40 years. The New Deal and Great Society programs sought to establish the government as a force for good in the lives and rights of the citizens. That message, that hope, that vision has been clouded by a beach bully kicking sand in our faces, stealing our towel and telling us we have no right to expect any assistance from our government at all.

I do not buy that.
I do not believe that.
I do not accept that.

Times are always a changin'...that much is certain...but universal truths do not change as readily. Our government is the PEOPLE in theory...its time to take that back in reality.

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Ossoff MFM008 Jun 2017 #1
Ossoff shows how awkward it is for us to try to win Romney strongholds nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #6
That election was in Gingrichland JHB Jun 2017 #14
Ossoff was not a moderate...he believed in choice and notice how Mello, Quist, Thompson and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #25
I saw that pattern too. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #55
We lost in Montana last month with a more liberal candidate. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #28
No. We already have enough GOPers. Think NON VOTERS leftstreet Jun 2017 #2
Not on California it doesn't SHRED Jun 2017 #3
What works in California doesn't work elsewhere. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #7
And that is exactly why all this party purity stuff is nonsense. Egnever Jun 2017 #128
It wouldn't help get the red out Jun 2017 #4
Don't need to win the hardcore Republicans over, but rather the swing populist voters geek tragedy Jun 2017 #8
No...while candidates in red states can run on most of our issues...we can never politicize Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #26
"defuse culture as a weapon" Lordquinton Jun 2017 #140
That is correct! moose65 Jun 2017 #75
Tell that to Sgent Jun 2017 #132
That actually gives me hope get the red out Jun 2017 #142
Elections are generally a sham process ck4829 Jun 2017 #5
correct HAB911 Jun 2017 #9
Not just no, but FUCK NO hatrack Jun 2017 #10
No, and fuck no! ananda Jun 2017 #11
What about conservative Democrats? Jacquette Jun 2017 #34
what's a conservative democrat? OriginalGeek Jun 2017 #46
I can only speak for myself Jacquette Jun 2017 #48
Nah you should fuck off and join the rest of the people who want to push "bathroom bills" Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #60
+ infinity nt LostOne4Ever Jun 2017 #96
Thank you. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #97
You've only got your toe in the water lillypaddle Jun 2017 #64
I am with...you are a Democrat... I am a woman (white) too...when I go to Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #74
Based on the responses to my op you are not welcome or needed Jacquette Jun 2017 #78
I am welcomed and needed...I am a proud Democrat and a liberal. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #82
By socially conservative Jacquette Jun 2017 #95
Who else should we allow overt bigotry against in our party? Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #99
It means you're transphobic. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #107
no, it translates to being an anti-choice transphobe Heddi Jun 2017 #115
You mean you only support civil rights when it affects YOU LostOne4Ever Jun 2017 #120
You realize that third trimester abortions are for medical necessity, right? AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #147
Technically, a Democrat. I don't want you in our party. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #106
I don't know why you'd consider yourself a democrat Heddi Jun 2017 #110
Wow. This is a little shocking and in denial. Democrats Hortensis Jun 2017 #144
"political bigotry is every bit as real as race and gender" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #145
You have got to be kidding Heddi Jun 2017 #146
We have some and will need more to win back Congress. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #50
If there is a Dem purity test Jacquette Jun 2017 #76
"These are the exact same feelings I've had since I cast my very 1st vote for President 40 yrs ago" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #81
No I don't. Back then it wasn't a problem. Jacquette Jun 2017 #88
it wasn't a problem back then because we just didn't know as much back then OriginalGeek Jun 2017 #105
Times change. I suggest you get with them. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #108
So, not shifting your opinion once in 40 years isn't a problem? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #143
Social Conservatives endorse bigotry Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #101
We simply run as Ossoff did...he was pro-choice and came damn close. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #137
Dems used to be 'good liberals'? SharonClark Jun 2017 #47
Political parties, and even elections, are becoming irrelevant to a lot of people... TreasonousBastard Jun 2017 #12
In the Bible Belt, yes. Tatiana Jun 2017 #13
What would the left have to give up, then? Saviolo Jun 2017 #15
it's an incredibly painful dilemma. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #17
That's kind of strong, but it had to be said Kolesar Jun 2017 #109
I'd leave the party if that became the norm -nt Bradical79 Jun 2017 #16
People NOT voting are more important than messages... Moostache Jun 2017 #18
I completely disagree with you. When we had a majority and power we had blue dogs...without then, we Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #20
Some candidates may be to the right...but we can not change who we are...right is right... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #19
There already is a party that is the 'right culturally'... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #21
We don't need to go further right! That would make it worse, not better! ollie10 Jun 2017 #22
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #38
No, but in some districts it would make sense to try and project a "traditional" image. dawg Jun 2017 #23
BIGOTED IMAGE Skittles Jun 2017 #104
Not bigoted. dawg Jun 2017 #117
DIG DEEPER Skittles Jun 2017 #125
Sure. Why not register as republicans while we are at it? Solly Mack Jun 2017 #24
Replace Pelosi with Ted Nugent! leftstreet Jun 2017 #32
The possibilities are endless! Solly Mack Jun 2017 #43
Exactly! Eff that! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #40
I agree. Solly Mack Jun 2017 #44
+1 KTM Jun 2017 #90
Seems to me the party HAS been moving rightward for many years... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #27
The country has moved right...and the idea we need to move left is wrong and will cost us Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #51
By what metric has it 'moved right'? WoonTars Jun 2017 #98
I think that "cultural conservatism" could be broken down into numerous components. David__77 Jun 2017 #29
Well too bad for them...we can not walk away from civil rights period...or you lose me and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #54
I would make a distinction here. David__77 Jun 2017 #113
How exactly would that work? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #136
I think there is a greater desire for some sort of "radical change" than there is desire RadiationTherapy Jun 2017 #30
So why didn't Quist stimulate non-voters? The Dem governor beat Gianfort in 2016 Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #56
Are you asking me why your single data point doesn't support my hypothesis RadiationTherapy Jun 2017 #100
You can't win if the game is rigged justiceischeap Jun 2017 #31
Yes! and also No! FBaggins Jun 2017 #33
Gerrymandering and disenfranchisement covers most of it underpants Jun 2017 #35
This is one way you can tell it's a Wednesday after an election Blue_Adept Jun 2017 #36
A little bit of pandering wouldn't hurt... LeftinOH Jun 2017 #37
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Va Lefty Jun 2017 #39
Just stop being regressive on the 2A. ileus Jun 2017 #41
Oh Bull. Gunners need to get real about their crappy "hobby" and life-style. Hoyt Jun 2017 #52
And Democrats need to get real about how toxic they are in many parts of the country. YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #67
How toxic who is? White wing racist gun lovers. Hoyt Jun 2017 #68
A lot of lifelong Democrats own guns too. YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #69
One who would leave the party over guns, isn't much of a Democrat in my mind. But, fine. Hoyt Jun 2017 #70
In a perfect world no would listen to ska. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #83
So, let's put more George Zimmermans and Michael Dunns on the street to appease gun lovers? Hoyt Jun 2017 #91
Yes, that's *exactly* what's being proposed here. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #111
You have a very strange idea of the meaning of "progressive" (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #116
If the Dem party throws me under the bus to appeal to Trumpers, I'm gone. Coventina Jun 2017 #42
I'm not in favor of trumpifying the Democratic Party brush Jun 2017 #45
No mythology Jun 2017 #49
This here. Saviolo Jun 2017 #53
Who is crapping on them? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #58
You haven't seen the dozens and dozens of thinkpieces? Saviolo Jun 2017 #87
So let me get this straight. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #57
Actually no...I don't. I was angry about Mello...and did not see why we even got involved with Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #61
But, by saying we need to embrace right wing Democrats... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #62
What I said was ...candidate have to be tailored for their district. That is a fact to regain Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #73
So it is okay Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #89
Drafting the Republican Party has been the strategy Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #59
Today must be opposite day...we had it all in 2008 and the GOP won in 10 Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #79
If I wanted to be a Republican I'd change parties. Vinca Jun 2017 #63
You just go right ahead qanda Jun 2017 #65
No. Moderate with a good message. Blue_true Jun 2017 #66
No! Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #71
NOPE. The shift to the right in the 90's almost Greybnk48 Jun 2017 #72
Hell yeah! We should abandon the wimmins and those pesky gays. Orrex Jun 2017 #77
Hell no!! WoonTars Jun 2017 #80
I think the party needs to be dynamic to match the voters in different areas. LisaM Jun 2017 #84
Absolutely not. alarimer Jun 2017 #85
NO. As Harry Truman once famously said: WinkyDink Jun 2017 #86
so we need to dumb down to get votes? hell NO! samnsara Jun 2017 #92
Moving toward "Social Conservatism" Bettie Jun 2017 #93
No, but we have to address those swing voters more effectively aikoaiko Jun 2017 #94
No gordianot Jun 2017 #102
FUCK NO Skittles Jun 2017 #103
No, we need to win non-voters.... vi5 Jun 2017 #112
No We should be the change we want to see. k8conant Jun 2017 #114
No. We are not evil greedy morally or ethically bankrupt. We are NOT republicans. onecaliberal Jun 2017 #118
We need to establish a law that says: you don't vote, you don't drive. Too harsh? YOHABLO Jun 2017 #119
The party needs to move left economically. Not right culturally. Fait Accompli Jun 2017 #121
Moving right won't help where "Democrat" is a toxic brand Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #122
I would expect the Evergreen College types to get Sistah Souljah'd between now and 2018 nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #124
I sure hope so Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #131
We are in an awkward stage right now Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #123
Do it and I'm gone. 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #126
No, we need fair elections. Period. MoonRiver Jun 2017 #127
No iamateacher Jun 2017 #129
We need the Supreme Court to recognize that gerrymandering disenfranchisement Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #130
After listening to Jeh Johnson today, I think we need to fix our voting machines first.... bresue Jun 2017 #133
I believe the majority of citizens support kacekwl Jun 2017 #134
Racism is a big thing nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #135
Wait for the pendulum to swing. Trump BootinUp Jun 2017 #138
Never mentioning gun control would be a good start Calculating Jun 2017 #139
No. Senator Sander's atempted that message in the primary, NYResister Jun 2017 #141
Where on that graph are typical Democratic (and Republican) policies? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #148
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