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athena

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114. What do they have to show for it? Really?

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 01:41 PM

Jun 2017

We have Republicans controlling all the levels of government -- the presidency, the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court, not to mention the majority of State houses -- and they are incapable of passing any legislation. Do you really think Nancy Pelosi has no hand in this? Do you really think the Republicans would be such a mess in the House right now if Nancy Pelosi did not have total control over the Democrats?

I am sorry that you can't recognize great leadership when the leader in question happens to be a woman. Here is a reading list to help you try to overcome that sad tendency:

Washington Monthly: Nancy Pelosi Is the Most Effective Member of the Resistance
http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/05/04/nancy-pelosi-is-the-most-effective-member-of-the-resistence/

Washington Post: Nancy Pelosi turns 75 today. She’s still the most effective leader in Congress.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/26/nancy-pelosi-turns-75-today-shes-still-the-most-effective-leader-in-congress

The Atlantic: The Staying Power of Nancy Pelosi
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-staying-power-of-nancy-pelosi/440022/

Alternet: Nancy Pelosi: The Most Effective Speaker of the House in History
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/425315/nancy_pelosi%3A_the_most_effective_speaker_of_the_house_in_history

The Guardian: Nancy Pelosi: is this the most powerful woman in US history?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/26/nancy-pelosi-politician-speaker

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its time for nancy pelosi to go away [View all] rdking647 Jun 2017 OP

It's wrong that she's a target..... vi5 Jun 2017 #1

Whoever leads the party will come under attack bottomofthehill Jun 2017 #30

100% agree, Democrats shouldn't be defining their leaders based on what Reps think. We just need to OnDoutside Jun 2017 #61

Yes, ridiculous to take out our leaders because Hortensis Jun 2017 #122

We get attacked for simply existing! Initech Jun 2017 #137

The GOP ALWAYS attacks Democrats, especially prominent ones. ALWAYS! SharonAnn Jun 2017 #249

You know all those GOP ads about her are because she's seen as too liberal BainsBane Jun 2017 #70

It's not about reality it's about perception... vi5 Jun 2017 #81

So let me get this straight: you're going to let the GOP pick our Dem leaders, vi5... Hekate Jun 2017 #109

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying vi5 Jun 2017 #121

the current dem establisment has manages to lose the hose,senate,white house and most states rdking647 Jun 2017 #147

Nope, apparently not. vi5 Jun 2017 #160

The first woman to rise that high is not "status quo." Hortensis Jun 2017 #132

what has she done recently? rdking647 Jun 2017 #148

I'm interested in what you're doing, arguing a viewpoint Hortensis Jun 2017 #161

oh hear we go. JHan Jun 2017 #2

how does she help the party rdking647 Jun 2017 #6

every fucking democrat is a target for the GOP JHan Jun 2017 #16

It's still time for someone new. Fait Accompli Jun 2017 #31

Nancy Pelosi is the furthest fucking thing in my mind. JHan Jun 2017 #33

Me neither leftynyc Jun 2017 #54

Agreed. They dislike her, or any dem, because she is effective. nt jrthin Jun 2017 #77

+100. obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2017 #40

+1000 ATL Ebony Jun 2017 #133

Of course she's a target! Dulcinea Jun 2017 #71

Every single Democratic Party Member is a target JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #89

So is it also time for Bernie Sanders to go? Amimnoch Jun 2017 #90

Pelosi's job is not to lead the party. lapucelle Jun 2017 #227

I agree 100 %, but you will get heated opposition here on DU! Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #3

Gee she just keeps getting elected to her position comradebillyboy Jun 2017 #4

i dont care if the leaders a man,woman, or whatever rdking647 Jun 2017 #9

No You Don't Care About Gender Me. Jun 2017 #39

The poster is obviously sincere; don't deflect BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #112

It Would Go A Distance In Letting Him Off Misogyny Hook Me. Jun 2017 #116

You don't know shit about me rdking647 Jun 2017 #119

What I Do Know Is That When Putting Together A List Of Possible Leaders Me. Jun 2017 #134

Instead I'll just ignore you rdking647 Jun 2017 #139

Fine By Me Me. Jun 2017 #142

Well, you just get up and go to DC and you WhiteTara Jun 2017 #49

Guess you forgot about the ACA. nt DURHAM D Jun 2017 #5

Didn't they pass the Senate version? zipplewrath Jun 2017 #117

Not one Democrat voted for it...not one. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #217

You mean the AHCA aka Trumpcare? There seems to be some confusion in the subthread. Hekate Jun 2017 #230

That is what I mean sorry for the confusion...she kept every Democrat in line...that is leadership. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #238

Do you mean the AHCA aka Trumpcare? There seems to be some confusion downthread. Hekate Jun 2017 #229

Playing Devil's Advocate Here LOL Lib Jun 2017 #7

It could be a little of both leftstreet Jun 2017 #11

Yes, that's exactly what Republicans have said about her.. JHan Jun 2017 #21

Has anyone around here ever defined "status quo"? No. George II Jun 2017 #84

They've tried to and it's always some BS. JHan Jun 2017 #162

Very likely and LOL Lib Jun 2017 #29

ah, ya think?? MESSAGE IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM...... a kennedy Jun 2017 #45

OK, replace her with Waters ... sound good or does someone have to repeat this over and over again YCHDT Jun 2017 #8

This is one way you can tell it's a Wednesday after an election Blue_Adept Jun 2017 #10

Really good point mcar Jun 2017 #14

+1 Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #24

Exactly NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #65

Heh, now this one would be worth a rec! Amimnoch Jun 2017 #93

yeah, absolutely, let's kick out the woman and bring in a man. any man will do. unblock Jun 2017 #12

the only reason she has experience as speaker is shes been leader since 2003 rdking647 Jun 2017 #18

What then is the precise and objective measure of effectiveness? LanternWaste Jun 2017 #36

This! (nt) ehrnst Jun 2017 #38

not losing the house,senate etc is a pretty good measure rdking647 Jun 2017 #187

And this is Nancy P's individual fault, how? Hekate Jun 2017 #207

Passing the ACA was Pelosi in the house. apcalc Jun 2017 #57

I believe we're long overdue for a clean sweep. Jacquette Jun 2017 #58

Wow. A lifetime of service to the Democratic Party & its agenda, and this is the thanks she gets.... Hekate Jun 2017 #175

Look for our solid leaders to be raked over and primaried next year . Not just Pelosi. Ugh lunasun Jun 2017 #181

They're picking off the powerful Dem women one by one already, as someone pointed out... Hekate Jun 2017 #193

thank you and goodbye rdking647 Jun 2017 #188

The US Constitution allows "term limits" of 2 years, 4 years, and 6 years, subject to the will... Hekate Jun 2017 #206

+1 Owl Jun 2017 #242

Perhaps if you were clearer on what you want done differently... Orsino Jun 2017 #63

Nancy Pelosi never lost a floor vote mcar Jun 2017 #143

thats because they rarely bring anything to the floor without the votes already counted.... rdking647 Jun 2017 #158

Well, yeah, that's the way it's done mcar Jun 2017 #169

I am sorry but that is not true...without Nancy's expert speakership...the Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #221

not supporting pelosi doesnt make one sexist rdking647 Jun 2017 #19

True. Suggesting any of 4 men and zero women would do better also doesn't make it sexist. unblock Jun 2017 #76

Not supporting an extremely effective leader who happens to be female IS sexist. athena Jun 2017 #107

Great reading list X 1000 Hekate Jun 2017 #177

Thank you, Hekate! athena Jun 2017 #178

she's been ELECTED head of Dems by her peers bigtree Jun 2017 #13

My exact thoughts. Well said. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2017 #56

Came here to say this mahina Jun 2017 #86

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #15

If Jesus Christ was the Dem leader of the House, the GOP would demonize him... First Speaker Jun 2017 #17

Then we might as well get the devil leftstreet Jun 2017 #22

rather not bring in the second string while we are at war. delisen Jun 2017 #20

Maybe, if we stood up and steadfastly defended our own leaders ... dawg Jun 2017 #23

Wrong... Next thread... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #25

Her job is to lead the House Democratic. She's PHENOMENAL at it. Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #26

You do know Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #27

We need to start telling the GOP to go fuck themselves and start doing some real leading. Initech Jun 2017 #34

I agree. What do you suggest we do exactly? Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #41

they won...to the victors go the spoils...too many view their Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #46

And they love rubbing salt in the wound too. Initech Jun 2017 #64

We are fighting back. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #69

I guess leadership doesn't count when the leader happens to be a woman. athena Jun 2017 #108

It is time for Pelosi haters to go away. I have no interest in purging solid liberals emulatorloo Jun 2017 #28

Or Me. Jun 2017 #43

+1000 Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #48

+10000! I agree! skylucy Jun 2017 #55

Exactly what I was going to say nini Jun 2017 #62

WRONG! (What else ya got?) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #32

Baloney apcalc Jun 2017 #35

Exactly. What this thread shows is that if you happen to be a woman, athena Jun 2017 #111

No, not every Dem feels this way RiverStone Jun 2017 #226

I agree that she needs to go. And I like her. Nt SweetieD Jun 2017 #37

Sexist. AngryAmish Jun 2017 #42

Funny how the pols who need to be taken down are always women. nt BainsBane Jun 2017 #74

No it is not. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #44

The voters in her district keep sending her back to Congress, though. MineralMan Jun 2017 #47

why repeat GOP talking points? The GOP have demonized Pelosi for years because she is effective. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #50

i like her! samnsara Jun 2017 #51

No Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #52

No. tammywammy Jun 2017 #53

Team Pelosi are keepers. Have a good day. riversedge Jun 2017 #59

what has she done recently??? rdking647 Jun 2017 #149

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE LATELY except for bashing the Democratic Congresswomen Pelosi? trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #243

The problem is... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #60

I love her. i don't care if we win if we have to compromise like that! Bonx Jun 2017 #66

ACA BainsBane Jun 2017 #67

No matter what her credentials are, the 'right' despises her awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #68

The dislike for her is that she's seen as a liberal BainsBane Jun 2017 #73

Of course it's because she's a demonic liberal to them awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #99

They despise her because she's a woman and she's EFFECTIVE. pnwmom Jun 2017 #79

Never said Ossoff lost because of her lol awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #100

New blood isn't immune from fake attacks. Fake attacks will be made against pnwmom Jun 2017 #102

Well, yeah, of course. awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #106

Nothing personal, just business...IOW, Stop making sense BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #159

And they will despise anyone in that role...as for me, the right does not get to decide who leads my Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #190

Her time has passed oswaldactedalone Jun 2017 #72

No...just no. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #191

if you are in her district you are welcome to run against her Fresh_Start Jun 2017 #75

I strongly disagree with your analysis Gothmog Jun 2017 #78

They don't have Hillary to kick around anymore Motley13 Jun 2017 #80

Oh, puh-leeze! Stop it! Earlier it was Perez. Who's it going to be next week? Franken? Booker? NurseJackie Jun 2017 #82

Ladies first Hekate Jun 2017 #231

I agree; lifetime tenure only works for failed states BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #83

She needs to stay where she is...she is effective...one of the greatest speakers ever...and we don't Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #195

Yeah, that's it BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #197

Agreed, I'd like to see someone who doesn't talk above the general public's heads. vkkv Jun 2017 #85

I like smart people. And she is talking to Democrats...when will you figure out that the hard right Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #196

Uh...bots are still out there. nikibatts Jun 2017 #87

Almost 90 replies and 1 rec... I guess that sums up the validity of that idea. LOL JoeStuckInOH Jun 2017 #88

no thanks, I will stick with Pelosi. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #91

Pelosi has probably raised more $$$ for Dems than HeartachesNhangovers Jun 2017 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jun 2017 #94

By your own argument... NCTraveler Jun 2017 #95

What would you have your leader do differently? George II Jun 2017 #96

I don't think her Constituents give a crap what you think . stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #97

And thank God for that. She's the best there is. nt Hekate Jun 2017 #127

+1000. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #131

You are not wrong. Joe941 Jun 2017 #98

Yes he is shenmue Jun 2017 #208

Because a new face is working so well for us. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #101

Why blame Pelosi? Blame the dems that do not get up off their butts and mfcorey1 Jun 2017 #103

Sorry, but can't agree with you there. 47of74 Jun 2017 #104

i agree with you 100% Getting rid of Nancy ? NEVER, she is a Strong Woman Dem.We need more like her trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #113

she may be strong but shes ineffectual rdking647 Jun 2017 #150

You know Zero about her if you say that. She's holding the entire Dem caucus together ... Hekate Jun 2017 #171

She has been very effective...she doesn't run elections...no one could have held her party as she Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #198

oh yeah, prove it. GIVE US SOME FACT .... not just your opinion. trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #234

I am SO TIRED of your diatribe. Can't you say anything other than WHAT HAS SHE DONE RECENTLY trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #244

Fuck that noise Hekate Jun 2017 #105

"What do 'they' have to show for it?" Not "we"? Whose side are you on? n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #110

What do they have to show for it? Really? athena Jun 2017 #114

Thank you, Athena Hekate Jun 2017 #120

Nancy Pelosi had no hand in that...the so called Greens and alt-left elected Trump. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #201

"Impeachment is off the table," she said frogmarch Jun 2017 #115

We need to turn over the entire Democratic Leadership in the House. Blue_true Jun 2017 #118

I'll take any of them rdking647 Jun 2017 #124

She is part of the democratic establishment rdking647 Jun 2017 #128

Well it took you sometime but you're doing a fine job repeating the usual RW talking points. JHan Jun 2017 #167

I love Nancy Pelosi, but she is becoming more and more out of step. Blue_true Jun 2017 #130

I don't believe you love Nancy...and this seems a coordinated attack...hmm. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #240

Her work against Bush was extraordinary as her helping President Obama for his first two year in Blue_true Jun 2017 #241

She has been very effective which is why the Repugs have not passed a single Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #258

Term limits are set by the US Constitution. You are capable of primarying anybody at any time... Hekate Jun 2017 #125

If one wins a seat in congress one can vote for the leaders delisen Jun 2017 #135

Schiff and Moulten seem clear headed and logical. Blue_true Jun 2017 #146

No we don't. Not when we have no power...that is foolish... do you want Trump to get everything he Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #202

I mentioned fighters. I don't think we give up anything. nt Blue_true Jun 2017 #228

the people you mentioned don't have the ability or the experience that Nancy has...and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #239

So anyone who is targeted by the GOP should go away? No. Nancy should STAND HER GROUND dalton99a Jun 2017 #123

I don't see how Pelosi is the problem. alarimer Jun 2017 #126

except voters dont ignore it rdking647 Jun 2017 #157

Because they are stupid. alarimer Jun 2017 #189

calling your voters stupid is not the way to win elections.... rdking647 Jun 2017 #192

Republican voters a big who cares...why would we worry about minority leadership... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #203

She needs to go. Lunabell Jun 2017 #129

What is she bad at, as a leader elected by her peers? delisen Jun 2017 #136

She is a leader of the democratic establishmeny rdking647 Jun 2017 #140

So She Did All That All By Her Little Lonesome? Me. Jun 2017 #144

when the company is failing you clean house starting at the top rdking647 Jun 2017 #145

Schumer? Me. Jun 2017 #152

i have no problem tossing ALL of them out rdking647 Jun 2017 #156

She 's Not The Top Of The Heap Me. Jun 2017 #163

The minority leader of the House is responsible for the Senate? yardwork Jun 2017 #215

Well, it's true Turbineguy Jun 2017 #138

Lol. No. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #141

Nope romana Jun 2017 #151

i dont care if shes a woman or a man rdking647 Jun 2017 #154

You're right. I zentrum Jun 2017 #153

you better watch it rdking647 Jun 2017 #155

Gee I can't imagine really. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #204

Kamala Harris and zentrum Jun 2017 #223

Well, maybe not 'go away' but janterry Jun 2017 #164

I hate to agree get the red out Jun 2017 #165

How is SHE hurting the party? SHE delivered the votes! gateley Jun 2017 #166

she delivered the votes and the voters didnt show up are a contradiction rdking647 Jun 2017 #183

There was a divisive primay and a tough election ... some who are alt-left /Greens whatever Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #209

What, you don't have Hillary to kick around anymore? leftofcool Jun 2017 #168

she should have never been the nominee rdking647 Jun 2017 #185

The primary is over. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #211

So Tom Perez gets a pass? GeorgeGist Jun 2017 #170

perez has been DNC chairman for 4 months rdking647 Jun 2017 #186

No, it's not MrScorpio Jun 2017 #172

I don't think it's time for anyone to go away... kentuck Jun 2017 #173

Maybe we can find some anti-abortion Blue Dog, huh? 'Cuz the GOP would just LOVE them! hatrack Jun 2017 #174

Again??? tazkcmo Jun 2017 #176

And can we make Republicans pinkie-swear not to demonize her replacement?? Nt Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #179

Repukes fear Nancy and name me another democratic leader pbmus Jun 2017 #180

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #184

She is very effective in Congress which is her job. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #212

bullshit. Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #182

it appears im not the only one calling for her ouster rdking647 Jun 2017 #194

Even Cher is!! m-lekktor Jun 2017 #199

And it won't happen. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #213

197 replies and 10 recs, lol BootinUp Jun 2017 #200

Knock it off with this shit shenmue Jun 2017 #205

I've been away from news. Did Pelosi do something today? Why this thread? Mrs. Overall Jun 2017 #210

People still re-fighting the you know.. what who are after what they perceive to be 'establishment' Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #216

Ok, got it. Mrs. Overall Jun 2017 #218

I know it...any excuse will do... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #225

No, it isn't blogslut Jun 2017 #214

Maxine waters fallout87 Jun 2017 #219

Maxine's no back stabber. She wouldn't consider challenging Nancy. nt oasis Jun 2017 #248

I was disappointed when she was re-elected to minority leader. Equinox Moon Jun 2017 #220

I was relieved...she can help with the battle with Trump...Ryan comes from a purple state... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #222

you should go away mshasta Jun 2017 #224

"shes become a target (right or wrong) for GOP attacks" Takket Jun 2017 #232

CNN: Some House Democrats says it's time for Pelosi to go, inclu MISOGYNIST Dem Rep. KATHLEEN RICE ! vkkv Jun 2017 #233

I have to disagree and we are not supposed to defame Dems on this board. bresue Jun 2017 #235

"We're capitalists, and that's just the way it is." -Nancy Pelosi Fait Accompli Jun 2017 #236

I don't blame her for the loss & I disagree with Tim Ryan, ecstatic Jun 2017 #237

We'd be a lot worse off without her. And, I keep seeing Lil Missy Jun 2017 #245

NOPE. ellie Jun 2017 #246

No. Absolutely not. I will not subscribe to or follow along any RW narrative. AgadorSparticus Jun 2017 #247

no it's not. n/t Blaukraut Jun 2017 #250

What's with all the anti-Pelosi sentiment lately? Beartracks Jun 2017 #251

Show me sanother member of the House Dems who could come close to being as good a speaker as napi21 Jun 2017 #252

Do you knpw tazmaniac Jun 2017 #253

The GOP tied Ossoff to Bernie too BainsBane Jun 2017 #254

Right wing racist fools go mad trying to attack her. They should all shut the #### up. Judi Lynn Jun 2017 #255

FYI - Ellison wholeheartedly endorsed NP to remain as House Minority Leader/future Speaker. bullwinkle428 Jun 2017 #256

I don't think Pelosi is the problem right now mvd Jun 2017 #257