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Abra

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26. I know I will get hate for this, but...

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:18 PM

Jul 2012

After watching the video I see major problems with the whole "Police murdered him" narative. Specifially:

1. The guy was being a smart ass to the cop, he was deliberately trying to provoke a conflict and he succeeded.
2. He stood up, and when ordered back down he physically resisted. And he had never, at this point, been searched.
3. He continued to fight despite being struck in non-lethal areas
4. He continued fighting and resisting, even with multiple police attempting to subdue him

The fight continued to escalate, he continued to resist. He only actually stopped when he received so much physical damage and so many officers restraining him that he was forced to do so -- and even then (from the audio) the police were concerned.

The incident is a tragedy.

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Now, You See My Fists? [View all] Daveparts3 Jul 2012 OP

Jesus Christ ! russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #1

omg! babylonsister Jul 2012 #2

Damn! Is this in America? kentuck Jul 2012 #3

Dear G-d! I couldn't finish reading it and I won't watch the vid. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #4

I watched every minute of it...could not stop really zeemike Jul 2012 #45

Yes, look what we have become. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #52

Good god. progressoid Jul 2012 #5

Good God! Meiko Jul 2012 #6

INVOLUNTARY manslaughter? Zoeisright Jul 2012 #7

Involuntary? 2nd degree? That's bullshit... nc4bo Jul 2012 #8

Yes but they were in the process of torturing him when he died. zeemike Jul 2012 #48

Sick animals. damnedifIknow Jul 2012 #9

Seen this before - GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #10

Why would some sick individual alert on this uncomfortably ugly OP? PufPuf23 Jul 2012 #11

The alerter was of the opinion Auggie Jul 2012 #12

I get it Son of Gob Jul 2012 #17

The OP is one of the best folks one can find on the internet with a powerful lot to contribute TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #94

word n/t grasswire Jul 2012 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Sep 2012 #120

With only 27 posts, what else could he be, but a troll. RC Jul 2012 #14

Here is an earlier incarnation of theirs. Notice the tombstone? Electric Monk Jul 2012 #18

I do see the TS and posts at DU2. PufPuf23 Jul 2012 #21

I place a story about a horrible Injustice Daveparts3 Jul 2012 #24

Sorry, I should have included a sarcasm smilie. RC Jul 2012 #42

Not a troll, a zombie. You got banned for something before, and then registered a new account. Electric Monk Jul 2012 #46

Thanks Ghost Dog Jul 2012 #95

Not long after this damnedifIknow Jul 2012 #13

Too sad malaise Jul 2012 #15

yeah. mad dogs in uniform spreading like a plague. the Earth is overdue for another cleansing. marasinghe Jul 2012 #19

Or the other explanation. zeemike Jul 2012 #49

Somewhere a woman knits, remembering each and every injustice... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #16

Holy fuck ornotna Jul 2012 #20

After reading that no way can I watch a person die. DiverDave Jul 2012 #22

I watched the video and it is far worse. Quantess Jul 2012 #112

yeah. me too. d_r Jul 2012 #25

kick. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #23

I know I will get hate for this, but... Abra Jul 2012 #26

This is the dumbest post I've seen in a while ornotna Jul 2012 #27

You criticize me for being dumb Abra Jul 2012 #37

Uh, no ornotna Jul 2012 #41

okay :) Abra Jul 2012 #43

Of that I have no doubt Hugabear Jul 2012 #70

Doubt it quakerboy Jul 2012 #111

Didn't you represent Mark Furman? 12AngryBorneoWildmen Jul 2012 #101

He was also MENTALLY ILL. redqueen Jul 2012 #28

I watched the video Abra Jul 2012 #39

Use crisis intervention training or a CIT team to diffuse the situation TomClash Jul 2012 #56

absolutely grasswire Jul 2012 #63

Okay, good answer. I carefully reviewed the tape and have changed my opinion about this incident. Abra Jul 2012 #80

I don't see how anyone could have thought that guy was a "very dangerou suspect" patrice Jul 2012 #84

Easy answer Abra Jul 2012 #108

You are right about the blows to the head. SylviaD Jul 2012 #96

I agree. Abra Jul 2012 #109

It was not the blows to the head (although that certainly didn't help) PotatoChip Jul 2012 #116

Thank you for clarifying. SylviaD Jul 2012 #119

Certainly NOT beat him to death! 1monster Jul 2012 #75

There were no outstanding wants or warrants to hold this young man. the cops leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #30

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #33

Yes. Abra Jul 2012 #40

They knew him. They knew he was mentally ill and harmless. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #72

+1 Blecht Jul 2012 #77

I Love You. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Jul 2012 #102

The 'incident' was a depraved, sick and brutal gang murder. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #35

You are correct, I hate you for attempting to defend the indefensible. GReedDiamond Jul 2012 #38

Sorry to hear that. Abra Jul 2012 #44

I don't put anyone on ignore, so we'll see what happens... GReedDiamond Jul 2012 #47

Not quite... Abra Jul 2012 #50

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... GReedDiamond Jul 2012 #53

Maybe. Who knows.... Abra Jul 2012 #65

1+ That's what I saw. Makes it no less horrifying & disgusting. & It's not an excuse for cruelty. patrice Jul 2012 #83

Total Delusional Fabrication. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Jul 2012 #104

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #68

" I know about brutality. I hate injustice. And I fucking HATE the police." -Abra, Post #50... GReedDiamond Jul 2012 #71

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #91

�Now, you see my fists, they�re getting ready to fuck you up.� limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #76

pigs.... mike_c Jul 2012 #90

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #103

The cops KNEW him well and KNEW he was mentally ill. tblue37 Jul 2012 #107

Yes, that's an embarrassingly dumb post. Quantess Jul 2012 #113

This has been a huge story here in Southern California (Fullerton is in Orange County). SunSeeker Jul 2012 #29

Kelly Thomas' dad is a retired police officer. grasswire Jul 2012 #62

Yes. But for that fact, I think Kelly Thomas would be just another statistic. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #93

I know quite a few cops. Flatulo Jul 2012 #31

Murder with depraved indifference The Wizard Jul 2012 #32

He was a kind, gentle, and friendly person. He had a loving family, parents, a sister who sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #34

This is just flat out murder. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #36

This event has been all over my local news for a while. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #51

An Empire state of mind TomClash Jul 2012 #54

welcome back, Dave grasswire Jul 2012 #55

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #57

I do believe he was talking about the uniforms the officers were wearing. ornotna Jul 2012 #58

black-uniformed grasswire Jul 2012 #60

That's what it should be. Exactly. A complete DevonRex Jul 2012 #114

They were not Black. Here are photos of two of the cops who have been charged in the sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #61

Black Uniformed Gang Daveparts3 Jul 2012 #74

Thank you for explaining it was the uniforms, not the officers. xfundy Jul 2012 #79

"The OP is a troll, IMO. " Fumesucker Jul 2012 #82

No, Daveparts3 Jul 2012 #86

Dave, are your previous essays available somewhere else? grasswire Jul 2012 #59

Unless there's more than one... pretty easy to find Electric Monk Jul 2012 #64

why the snark? n/t grasswire Jul 2012 #73

I'm sick to my stomach. cry baby Jul 2012 #66

I remember seeing this when it came out. I'm glad the cops were charged. joshcryer Jul 2012 #67

Thank you for posting this MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #69

Ah, Fullerton PD. Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #78

Have things gotten worse over the years? eridani Jul 2012 #81

What you said.... we're just now hearing about it more. DCKit Jul 2012 #85

Twain said, Daveparts3 Jul 2012 #89

It got markedly worse after 9/11 and has never stopped getting worse. yardwork Jul 2012 #88

Can we talk about police brutality and fascism yet? yardwork Jul 2012 #87

that is the courage of davparts grasswire Jul 2012 #92

It's good to see that the father has a top-notch attorney. In an earlier brutality case, AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #97

I live not too far from there. The police there are so out of control it's not funny. Initech Jul 2012 #98

I believe this is the same incident. grasswire Jul 2012 #105

Compare this with the thread last week -- jerseyjack Jul 2012 #99

His complaint has merit? DiverDave Jul 2012 #117

OOPS DiverDave Jul 2012 #118

Hopefully justice will find these sick fucks. Cheap_Trick Jul 2012 #100

Time to disband this police force- secondvariety Jul 2012 #110

Kelly Thomas was outright murdered. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2012 #115