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babylonsister

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Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:19 PM Jun 2017

Charles P. Pierce: Okay, So You Kick Nancy Pelosi Out. Then What? [View all]

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a55791/nancy-pelosi-replacement/


Okay, So You Kick Nancy Pelosi Out. Then What?

Before you start calling for her exit, name some logical replacements.
By Charles P. Pierce
Jun 21, 2017


In my time on this earth, I've seen Republican propaganda turn a decent centrist like Michael Dukakis into a signatory of the Port Huron statement. I've seen it turn a decorated war hero like John Kerry into a Francophone poltroon. I've seen it turn a radical centrist/Rockefeller Republican like Bill Clinton into a dope-smoking refugee from the Monterey Pop Festival. I've seen kindly old Tip O'Neill turned into a Thomas Nast cartoon, and I've seen Barack Obama turned into an Islamic Kenyan holy man. I've seen an audience created for every one of these manufactured creations, and I've seen that audience respond to them as if they had the firmest basis in reality.

So you will pardon me if I'm dubious of the notion that congressional Democrats have to rid themselves of Nancy Pelosi because she was so easily demonized in that Georgia special election. If it wasn't her, it would have been somebody else. To paraphrase the editor in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, if there's a conflict between the person and the legend, slander the legend.

Steve M is right on the button here. The Republicans have one brand and one brand only: Democrats suck. The articles of their electoral faith begin and end with, how best can they piss off the liberals who rent space in their heads, and how do they convince the rubes that pissing off the liberals is an actual policy prescription to stave off the economic and cultural forces that are keeping the rubes up at night? As Steve points out, you have to dig pretty deep in today's coverage to discover that Karen Handel has no public stance on the vastly unpopular healthcare bill, or that she has no clear opinion on giving gozillionnaires another huge tax cut. (Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know what those opinions are, too.) She ran against a caricature of a non-candidate as a nonentity and she won. Nice work if you can get it.

Which brings us back to Nancy Pelosi. Most of the voices calling for her to go are coming from younger Democrats, a lot of them allied with the Berniecrat wing of the party. (Ironically, the Republicans ran ads tying Jon Ossoff to Sanders, that socialist menace. Plus ca change…) I am charmed to my bones by the faith these young folks have that Pelosi's replacement would be someone dedicated to single-payer healthcare, the $15 minimum wage, and hanging banksters from lamp posts. More than likely, it would be someone like, say, Tim Ryan from Ohio, who talks the salt-o'-the-earth talk about economic anxiety, but who flipped on abortion in 2015, when it became convenient to do so, and who won an NRA endorsement in his first campaign. This development would not be to their liking.

Moreover, I've yet to see anyone who could wrangle the House caucus in this dark time for Democrats better than Pelosi has. She kept the caucus unanimous against that abomination of a healthcare bill. She's a manifestly better legislative strategist than Paul Ryan. Whether or not she is to blame for the failure of the Democrats to maintain a House majority after 2006 is an impossible question. Legislative leaders' having to bear the brunt of electoral losses beyond their home districts is a fairly flexible standard. If you want to make the case that the age of the Democratic congressional leadership makes the emergence of new faces more difficult, I'll listen to that argument, but leave Bernie Sanders out of it, because you sound like a fool.

If you're proposing to replace Pelosi, prepare for the inevitable result. The pressure on the replacement—from Republicans, certainly, but also from the elite political media—to work "on a bipartisan basis" with the zombie-eyed granny starver and his band of cutthroats, or to find "common ground" with the folks down at Camp Runamuck, is going to be well-nigh overwhelming. And that's not even to mention the both-siderist frenzy that will erupt during the fight to elect a new leader. Dems In Disarray is a Beltway classic. This would be its loudest revival performance in years. And, in any case, if you're demanding that Pelosi be dumped because of her usefulness as a Republican cartoon, aren't you already pretty much admitting defeat?
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MAXINE WATERS !!! Oh wait she's female too, sigh. Me thinks dems need to deal with our own demons... YCHDT Jun 2017 #1
Maxine Waters is hated by the right... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #4
K&R!!!!!! secondwind Jun 2017 #2
Getting rid of Nancy Pelosi would be a major mistake Gothmog Jun 2017 #3
Tom Perez gets a pass. GeorgeGist Jun 2017 #5
HaHaHa Alice11111 Jun 2017 #42
Perfect Me. Jun 2017 #6
Nancy's just fine where she is, thank you. BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #7
Not irreplaceable but experienced Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #10
Exactly. BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #17
Yep not fooled Jun 2017 #39
They have simple minds. They only know how to take a side. Baitball Blogger Jun 2017 #8
K&R mcar Jun 2017 #9
Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #11
Of Course Me. Jun 2017 #13
Fortunately BainsBane Jun 2017 #15
AMEN!!! BadgerMom Jun 2017 #12
Thanks BabSis. Who the HELL are the trolls out today at DU trying to dump Nancy P? Hekate Jun 2017 #14
Is everyone who disagrees with you a troll? bluedigger Jun 2017 #23
No. Ignorance and stupidity in mass quantities tends to set me off, and it's here today. Hekate Jun 2017 #25
There Wasn't Just One Trolling Speaker Pelosi Me. Jun 2017 #28
Some were/are playing tag team, too. I think one put me on ignore; I don't know how I can go on Hekate Jun 2017 #46
One Has To Ask What's The Agenda For The Swarm Me. Jun 2017 #47
One does indeed Hekate Jun 2017 #48
They From The New Group Put Together BY Tim Ryan & Krystal Ball Me. Jun 2017 #51
there is another thread bashing Nancy. What is going on here. trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #60
Isn't it interesting how the Democrats they so despise BainsBane Jun 2017 #16
Or black people, murielm99 Jun 2017 #20
Just another coinkydink Hekate Jun 2017 #27
Just a coinkydink, I'm sure Hekate Jun 2017 #26
I wish I could rec this a thousand times. GoCubsGo Jun 2017 #18
Thank you, Charlie. Paladin Jun 2017 #19
Yeah, let's just get rid of everyone the Repubs don't like. Then, we will all be Repubs Alice11111 Jun 2017 #44
I'd LOVE to see Franken go for it in 2020. (nt) Paladin Jun 2017 #56
I think he is...and he would be a great Pres Alice11111 Jun 2017 #63
Nancy Pelosi LVNVblue Jun 2017 #21
Some "Democrats" want the "Democratic Establishment" to Progressive dog Jun 2017 #22
Tim Ryan. Tim Ryan. Tim Ryan War Pigs Jun 2017 #24
So you are advocating no women in leadership in the Democratic party? DURHAM D Jun 2017 #31
no not at all. Nancy has all those labels on her partly due to her longevity in the War Pigs Jun 2017 #32
One of the up and coming Democratic women murielm99 Jun 2017 #35
I certainly will murielm99!! War Pigs Jun 2017 #38
Telegenic Me. Jun 2017 #49
What the heck are you even talking about, War Pigs? "California elitists"? Hekate Jun 2017 #55
I have lived in SoCal and take virtually all my vacations there and in Northern Baja War Pigs Jun 2017 #57
"Nancy P has been in the crosshairs a long time" and she's still standing. Remarkable record. Hekate Jun 2017 #59
It's a very important point, that letting the damage Republicans try to do, say to Pelosi, or JCanete Jun 2017 #29
The fact that Republicans are so desperate to get rid of Nancy Pelosi octoberlib Jun 2017 #30
Where is all this ousting Nancy nonsense coming from? Egnever Jun 2017 #33
A couple Congressional Democrats of course octoberlib Jun 2017 #43
The New Group Formed By Tim Ryan & Krystal Ball Me. Jun 2017 #50
I propose a Democratic propaganda machine meow2u3 Jun 2017 #34
The problem is that they have much more propaganda infrastructure MrPurple Jun 2017 #37
.... hadEnuf Jun 2017 #41
I second Tim Ryan and they should have done it in January MrPurple Jun 2017 #36
K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #40
Palomino! Never forget! blogslut Jun 2017 #45
I'm with Nancy. dchill Jun 2017 #52
How many DUers live in Pelosi's district? If you don't you can't vote to kick her out. wasupaloopa Jun 2017 #53
No one wants to vote her out of office, but to possibly have the party select a different leader MrPurple Jun 2017 #54
If she is in the House she will lead the Dems wasupaloopa Jun 2017 #58
It's an amazing swarm we have today, upaloopa. Hekate Jun 2017 #61
On The Last Word tonight it was said by Robert wasupaloopa Jun 2017 #62
Brilliant! Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #64
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