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Warren DeMontague

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130. We need the Supreme Court to recognize that gerrymandering disenfranchisement

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:23 PM

Jun 2017

I agree with you that the professional tumblr class bullshit has been counter-productive, to say the least:

I have a gaggle of nieces and nephews in their early 20s who think "liberals" stand for things like censorship and finger-wagging and telling people what they can watch on tv or how many swear words they're allowed to hear in a video game

but since we have the 1st Amendment we are going to continue to have people promoting head-banging dumbfuckery under the banner of "progressive" ideological gatekeeping (I've been convinced for some time that some of it is a Koch Bros. funded long game, but I digress) ....

so back here in the real world, yeah, we need to find earthy candidates who can speak to local concerns. But that shouldn't mean abandoning values like reproductive freedom.

Instead, we need to make "liberal" and "progressive" synonymous with personal choice and freedom, again. Anti-censorship/PRO FIRST AMENDMENT. Pro-cannabis legalization (an issue that- hello!- is popular all over the place and across the political spectrum)... and maybe it's time to realize that gun control is a loser at the federal level.

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Does the party need to move right culturally to win more elections? [View all] geek tragedy Jun 2017 OP

Ossoff MFM008 Jun 2017 #1

Ossoff shows how awkward it is for us to try to win Romney strongholds nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #6

That election was in Gingrichland JHB Jun 2017 #14

Ossoff was not a moderate...he believed in choice and notice how Mello, Quist, Thompson and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #25

I saw that pattern too. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #55

We lost in Montana last month with a more liberal candidate. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #28

No. We already have enough GOPers. Think NON VOTERS leftstreet Jun 2017 #2

Not on California it doesn't SHRED Jun 2017 #3

What works in California doesn't work elsewhere. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #7

And that is exactly why all this party purity stuff is nonsense. Egnever Jun 2017 #128

It wouldn't help get the red out Jun 2017 #4

Don't need to win the hardcore Republicans over, but rather the swing populist voters geek tragedy Jun 2017 #8

No...while candidates in red states can run on most of our issues...we can never politicize Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #26

"defuse culture as a weapon" Lordquinton Jun 2017 #140

That is correct! moose65 Jun 2017 #75

Tell that to Sgent Jun 2017 #132

That actually gives me hope get the red out Jun 2017 #142

Elections are generally a sham process ck4829 Jun 2017 #5

correct HAB911 Jun 2017 #9

Not just no, but FUCK NO hatrack Jun 2017 #10

No, and fuck no! ananda Jun 2017 #11

What about conservative Democrats? Jacquette Jun 2017 #34

what's a conservative democrat? OriginalGeek Jun 2017 #46

I can only speak for myself Jacquette Jun 2017 #48

Nah you should fuck off and join the rest of the people who want to push "bathroom bills" Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #60

+ infinity nt LostOne4Ever Jun 2017 #96

Thank you. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #97

You've only got your toe in the water lillypaddle Jun 2017 #64

I am with...you are a Democrat... I am a woman (white) too...when I go to Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #74

Based on the responses to my op you are not welcome or needed Jacquette Jun 2017 #78

I am welcomed and needed...I am a proud Democrat and a liberal. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #82

By socially conservative Jacquette Jun 2017 #95

Who else should we allow overt bigotry against in our party? Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #99

It means you're transphobic. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #107

no, it translates to being an anti-choice transphobe Heddi Jun 2017 #115

You mean you only support civil rights when it affects YOU LostOne4Ever Jun 2017 #120

You realize that third trimester abortions are for medical necessity, right? AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #147

Technically, a Democrat. I don't want you in our party. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #106

I don't know why you'd consider yourself a democrat Heddi Jun 2017 #110

Wow. This is a little shocking and in denial. Democrats Hortensis Jun 2017 #144

"political bigotry is every bit as real as race and gender" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #145

You have got to be kidding Heddi Jun 2017 #146

We have some and will need more to win back Congress. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #50

If there is a Dem purity test Jacquette Jun 2017 #76

"These are the exact same feelings I've had since I cast my very 1st vote for President 40 yrs ago" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #81

No I don't. Back then it wasn't a problem. Jacquette Jun 2017 #88

it wasn't a problem back then because we just didn't know as much back then OriginalGeek Jun 2017 #105

Times change. I suggest you get with them. Gravitycollapse Jun 2017 #108

So, not shifting your opinion once in 40 years isn't a problem? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #143

Social Conservatives endorse bigotry Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #101

We simply run as Ossoff did...he was pro-choice and came damn close. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #137

Dems used to be 'good liberals'? SharonClark Jun 2017 #47

Political parties, and even elections, are becoming irrelevant to a lot of people... TreasonousBastard Jun 2017 #12

In the Bible Belt, yes. Tatiana Jun 2017 #13

What would the left have to give up, then? Saviolo Jun 2017 #15

it's an incredibly painful dilemma. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #17

That's kind of strong, but it had to be said Kolesar Jun 2017 #109

I'd leave the party if that became the norm -nt Bradical79 Jun 2017 #16

People NOT voting are more important than messages... Moostache Jun 2017 #18

I completely disagree with you. When we had a majority and power we had blue dogs...without then, we Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #20

Some candidates may be to the right...but we can not change who we are...right is right... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #19

There already is a party that is the 'right culturally'... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #21

We don't need to go further right! That would make it worse, not better! ollie10 Jun 2017 #22

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #38

No, but in some districts it would make sense to try and project a "traditional" image. dawg Jun 2017 #23

BIGOTED IMAGE Skittles Jun 2017 #104

Not bigoted. dawg Jun 2017 #117

DIG DEEPER Skittles Jun 2017 #125

Sure. Why not register as republicans while we are at it? Solly Mack Jun 2017 #24

Replace Pelosi with Ted Nugent! leftstreet Jun 2017 #32

The possibilities are endless! Solly Mack Jun 2017 #43

Exactly! Eff that! smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #40

I agree. Solly Mack Jun 2017 #44

+1 KTM Jun 2017 #90

Seems to me the party HAS been moving rightward for many years... Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #27

The country has moved right...and the idea we need to move left is wrong and will cost us Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #51

By what metric has it 'moved right'? WoonTars Jun 2017 #98

I think that "cultural conservatism" could be broken down into numerous components. David__77 Jun 2017 #29

Well too bad for them...we can not walk away from civil rights period...or you lose me and Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #54

I would make a distinction here. David__77 Jun 2017 #113

How exactly would that work? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #136

I think there is a greater desire for some sort of "radical change" than there is desire RadiationTherapy Jun 2017 #30

So why didn't Quist stimulate non-voters? The Dem governor beat Gianfort in 2016 Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #56

Are you asking me why your single data point doesn't support my hypothesis RadiationTherapy Jun 2017 #100

You can't win if the game is rigged justiceischeap Jun 2017 #31

Yes! and also No! FBaggins Jun 2017 #33

Gerrymandering and disenfranchisement covers most of it underpants Jun 2017 #35

This is one way you can tell it's a Wednesday after an election Blue_Adept Jun 2017 #36

A little bit of pandering wouldn't hurt... LeftinOH Jun 2017 #37

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Va Lefty Jun 2017 #39

Just stop being regressive on the 2A. ileus Jun 2017 #41

Oh Bull. Gunners need to get real about their crappy "hobby" and life-style. Hoyt Jun 2017 #52

And Democrats need to get real about how toxic they are in many parts of the country. YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #67

How toxic who is? White wing racist gun lovers. Hoyt Jun 2017 #68

A lot of lifelong Democrats own guns too. YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #69

One who would leave the party over guns, isn't much of a Democrat in my mind. But, fine. Hoyt Jun 2017 #70

In a perfect world no would listen to ska. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #83

So, let's put more George Zimmermans and Michael Dunns on the street to appease gun lovers? Hoyt Jun 2017 #91

Yes, that's *exactly* what's being proposed here. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #111

You have a very strange idea of the meaning of "progressive" (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jun 2017 #116

If the Dem party throws me under the bus to appeal to Trumpers, I'm gone. Coventina Jun 2017 #42

I'm not in favor of trumpifying the Democratic Party brush Jun 2017 #45

No mythology Jun 2017 #49

This here. Saviolo Jun 2017 #53

Who is crapping on them? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #58

You haven't seen the dozens and dozens of thinkpieces? Saviolo Jun 2017 #87

So let me get this straight. Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #57

Actually no...I don't. I was angry about Mello...and did not see why we even got involved with Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #61

But, by saying we need to embrace right wing Democrats... Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #62

What I said was ...candidate have to be tailored for their district. That is a fact to regain Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #73

So it is okay Else You Are Mad Jun 2017 #89

Drafting the Republican Party has been the strategy Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #59

Today must be opposite day...we had it all in 2008 and the GOP won in 10 Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #79

If I wanted to be a Republican I'd change parties. Vinca Jun 2017 #63

You just go right ahead qanda Jun 2017 #65

No. Moderate with a good message. Blue_true Jun 2017 #66

No! Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #71

NOPE. The shift to the right in the 90's almost Greybnk48 Jun 2017 #72

Hell yeah! We should abandon the wimmins and those pesky gays. Orrex Jun 2017 #77

Hell no!! WoonTars Jun 2017 #80

I think the party needs to be dynamic to match the voters in different areas. LisaM Jun 2017 #84

Absolutely not. alarimer Jun 2017 #85

NO. As Harry Truman once famously said: WinkyDink Jun 2017 #86

so we need to dumb down to get votes? hell NO! samnsara Jun 2017 #92

Moving toward "Social Conservatism" Bettie Jun 2017 #93

No, but we have to address those swing voters more effectively aikoaiko Jun 2017 #94

No gordianot Jun 2017 #102

FUCK NO Skittles Jun 2017 #103

No, we need to win non-voters.... vi5 Jun 2017 #112

No We should be the change we want to see. k8conant Jun 2017 #114

No. We are not evil greedy morally or ethically bankrupt. We are NOT republicans. onecaliberal Jun 2017 #118

We need to establish a law that says: you don't vote, you don't drive. Too harsh? YOHABLO Jun 2017 #119

The party needs to move left economically. Not right culturally. Fait Accompli Jun 2017 #121

Moving right won't help where "Democrat" is a toxic brand Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #122

I would expect the Evergreen College types to get Sistah Souljah'd between now and 2018 nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #124

I sure hope so Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #131

We are in an awkward stage right now Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #123

Do it and I'm gone. 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #126

No, we need fair elections. Period. MoonRiver Jun 2017 #127

No iamateacher Jun 2017 #129

We need the Supreme Court to recognize that gerrymandering disenfranchisement Warren DeMontague Jun 2017 #130

After listening to Jeh Johnson today, I think we need to fix our voting machines first.... bresue Jun 2017 #133

I believe the majority of citizens support kacekwl Jun 2017 #134

Racism is a big thing nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #135

Wait for the pendulum to swing. Trump BootinUp Jun 2017 #138

Never mentioning gun control would be a good start Calculating Jun 2017 #139

No. Senator Sander's atempted that message in the primary, NYResister Jun 2017 #141

Where on that graph are typical Democratic (and Republican) policies? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #148