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SFnomad

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13. Yes, let's get some new blood in there to fire people up ...

Reply to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:45 AM

Jun 2017

At the same time, we can ...

• Lose experienced people that have taken careers to build bridges with colleges and can accomplish things because of it
• Give more power to lobbyists, because whoever is spending the most money in an election (or spent on them) is most likely to win. And once they win because of those lobbyists, they "own" them, else those lobbyists will move on to the next candidate in the next election
• Contribute to gridlock ... as it's the newer, younger members that are typically more partisan, we've seen that over about the last decade or two

People like Pelosi are still there because their constituents like them and she can get things accomplished. But as a minority leader, she (or anyone else in that position) will be limited as to what they can do.

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Just so you know, if Pelosi goes, she gets replaced with a centrist. [View all] DanTex Jun 2017 OP

The alleged progressives who are trying to push out Pelosi or want PURITY tests on all Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #1

Not to mention they don't know jack squat about how to get things done in Congress EffieBlack Jun 2017 #86

Ossoff chases Handel in a red district that should never have been competitive... JHan Jun 2017 #2

Obviously, Democrats thought the district was competitive... EL34x4 Jun 2017 #41

50 state strategies cost money. JHan Jun 2017 #42

It was worth a shot...but it was always the GOP's to lose. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #51

Your premise does not seem to address LanternWaste Jun 2017 #53

It won't be Hoyer Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #3

Then who? What scenario are all the far-left anti-Pelosi people envisioning? DanTex Jun 2017 #5

Preferably somebody who doesn't remember JFK getting shot Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #8

And we also shouldn't be writing octogenarians off ... just because n/t SFnomad Jun 2017 #10

Crude as it may be, we need to excite young Democrat voters about the House Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #12

Yes, let's get some new blood in there to fire people up ... SFnomad Jun 2017 #13

I will gladly make that sacrifice if we can win and hold the house Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #24

the guy on the left has 300 clones on 1000 radio stations and certainot Jun 2017 #50

So it's hopeless? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #60

you're telling me 95% of americans who would listen to talk radio prefer the lies, racism, misogyny certainot Jun 2017 #66

Uhh... yeah. Actually I do believe that. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #72

so you're saying only racist idiots would turn on the loudest clearest stations certainot Jun 2017 #74

You're describing an awfully specific group of people Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #75

it dominates 40 states with 80 senators certainot Jun 2017 #76

This is a product nobody wants, you can't force it into their ears Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #82

you're being silly with the generalizations. live in a big city? certainot Jun 2017 #97

I don't think Los Angeles has had mainstream liberal talk radio for many years Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #104

it would but it's ridiculous and a waste of time to think it's possible at this point certainot Jun 2017 #105

What's the point of winning the House if, once we win it, we end up with a Speaker who doesn't know EffieBlack Jun 2017 #87

I will take my chances on the theoretical speaker figuring it out Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #89

Yes, by all means. Let's toss out one of the most effective Speakers in history so a "theoretical EffieBlack Jun 2017 #94

emphasis on "history" Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #95

I wonder how many great CA and NY Reps. we've missed out on BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #52

You know these are elected positions, right? EffieBlack Jun 2017 #96

These are non competitive seats that anyone with a pulse can win BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #101

Tell that to Tim Ryan EffieBlack Jun 2017 #106

This is more "anti-establishment" bullshit, a continuation of his nonsense that Trump pushed that bettyellen Jun 2017 #18

It isn't about "outsiders" or being "anti-establishment" Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #21

They're going to have to be massively charismatic then because my generation.. JHan Jun 2017 #44

Man... I had the craziest dream! Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #61

Yes, as President. JHan Jun 2017 #62

Leaders are out there Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #63

I agree, but I'm also recognizing the fatalism towards public services that exists out there.. JHan Jun 2017 #65

why the hell do you expect the leadership in the house to deliver midterm voters Fresh_Start Jun 2017 #54

Because that is how ever parliament like body on earth works Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #59

you haven't provided anything other than your opinion Fresh_Start Jun 2017 #64

An opinion is more than what you're offering Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #71

The House of Representatives is not Parliament. EffieBlack Jun 2017 #90

So, where do I go to vote for the House leaders? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #92

It's not the Speaker/minority leader's job to deliver mid-term voters EffieBlack Jun 2017 #88

Wow, I just had another crazy trippy dream Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #91

and 4 - don't know even if they ARE active have no clue they will be totally undone by certainot Jun 2017 #49

So They Have To Be Inspired? Me. Jun 2017 #78

If you know how to do that with the status quo, please bring it to the floor Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #83

My Point Is I Don't Think I Should Have To Me. Jun 2017 #98

Okay, but for the time being Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #99

Come Now, There Are Many Way To Manage Pain Me. Jun 2017 #100

Those who want to shove Pelosi aside are not our allies. MineralMan Jun 2017 #4

+1 jcmaine72 Jun 2017 #6

That is such BS!!! Johnny2X2X Jun 2017 #11

What is BS is stating that there is "zero soul searching allowed" SFnomad Jun 2017 #14

I have no doubt my post, like others I've written will be deleted after jury Johnny2X2X Jun 2017 #20

Do you know how the House chooses its leadership? MineralMan Jun 2017 #23

You are arguing totally beside the point Johnny2X2X Jun 2017 #26

Why do you say that discussion is not allowed here. MineralMan Jun 2017 #27

Posts have been removed in other thread Johnny2X2X Jun 2017 #29

Have your posts been removed? Actually, I hadn't noticed MineralMan Jun 2017 #30

Here's one Johnny2X2X Jun 2017 #39

delusions of persecution. JHan Jun 2017 #43

Pelosi isn't the only person capable of leading our party ... but why are you SFnomad Jun 2017 #67

Her leadership is QUITE effective... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2017 #16

"Her leadership is QUITE effective..." LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #84

Guaranteed we'll hear variations of this about Harris, Warren and Booker too. bettyellen Jun 2017 #19

I believe we will JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #31

Have you joined your county democratic committee? JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #28

Excellent points, thank you (too bad you have to state the obvious) George II Jun 2017 #40

Well JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #107

+1 musette_sf Jun 2017 #93

If she's not stepping down and the House Democrats aren't going to replace her.... George II Jun 2017 #38

They are dancing to Russia's tune. AngryAmish Jun 2017 #22

+ 1 n/t musette_sf Jun 2017 #45

P.O.B. for me. oasis Jun 2017 #7

My dream speaker would be Adam Schiff. ananda Jun 2017 #9

Adam Schiff voted for Nancy Pelosi to be MineralMan Jun 2017 #25

Great analysis mcar Jun 2017 #15

Excellent post. There's a lot of uninformed opinion going around. yardwork Jun 2017 #17

You make an excellent point. MineralMan Jun 2017 #32

Generally, people who want Pelosi to step down also want Steny out as well geek tragedy Jun 2017 #33

You are exactly right, DanTex SCantiGOP Jun 2017 #34

K&R stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #35

I support Pelosi, but we should also get some messaging for rust belt voters IronLionZion Jun 2017 #36

Pelosi is a liberal dogandturtlemom Jun 2017 #37

This bickering blue-wave Jun 2017 #46

The House Dem Leader's most important job is to rally votes for/against bills. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #47

+1000000 Fresh_Start Jun 2017 #55

No No No...we need to move on to a younger generation, that was the whole INdemo Jun 2017 #48

no no no...we don't need to move on to a younger generation... Fresh_Start Jun 2017 #58

Two votes determine Pelosi's fate... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #56

Of course she is not rresponsible for a candidates campaign.. INdemo Jun 2017 #73

tim ryan was antichoice until last year. he is no progressive champion La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #57

What I find funny about this whole thing is some of the people supporting it... herding cats Jun 2017 #68

"Pelosi is from the progressive wing of the party" LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #69

Whether Nancy stays or goes Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2017 #70

E X A C T L Y!!! broadcaster90210 Jun 2017 #77

I like and admire her - therefor she is doomed. elfin Jun 2017 #79

If Trump is imeached after 2018, Pelosi would be president. So, business wants to replace McCamy Taylor Jun 2017 #80

There is a need to attract lots of Independents to the DNC, it would result in many more votes for Thinkingabout Jun 2017 #81

And let's not forget that, in order to be effective, the leader has to be very "establishment" EffieBlack Jun 2017 #85

I don't care whether she stays or goes Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #102

I still think they rail against her because they're jealous! The only WISH they had a speaker napi21 Jun 2017 #103