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Ken Burch

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127. It doesn't matter how may chances anyone had(y.

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:02 PM

Jun 2017

My point is that the results prove that neither faction can win without the other and that neither has any special claim to electoral superiority.

We solve that by being a partnership of equals, by supporting social and economic justice with equal commitment-recognizing that neither justice struggle conflicts with the other and that neither benefits from the other being put on the back burner.

And we become equally open to either the Clinton OR the Sanders modes of organization and fundraising.

We can only resist Trump by treating each other as equals and standing with each other.

There can't be unity by telling everyone just to get in line behind the way we did things in the fall of '16.

If that approach failed then, it will ALWAYS fail.

Time to admit it and move on.

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The GA-6 result discredits the "centrists can win-the left can't" narrative. [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2017 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #1

Probably. alarimer Jun 2017 #2

Authenticity matters to me. David__77 Jun 2017 #15

I think the real problem may be political consultants. alarimer Jun 2017 #33

Agreed most consultants are guessing right now... Yurovsky Jun 2017 #38

This Right Here..... LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #58

I'll drink to that. pangaia Jun 2017 #84

Good point. "Safe" campaigns are losing campaigns. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #50

Yup no excuse. Eko Jun 2017 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #7

That district has been ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #11

Whatever the reason, it is what it is. BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #13

People seem to forget that. rockfordfile Jun 2017 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #30

Just heard on Lawrence show that HRC did about the same in her election there. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #9

This is no surprise. It was pretty much know after there would be a runoff still_one Jun 2017 #14

I don't think the media is playing it up. It IS very bad for the Dems. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #101

These elections were in really red districts crazycatlady Jun 2017 #179

I agree it wasn't terrible & could've been worse. But it was the same % that HRC got. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #180

Trump won that district by 1%, I think MrPurple Jun 2017 #55

Clinton lost the district by 1.5% while Ossoff lost by 4% Gothmog Jun 2017 #108

He wasn't saying by what % Clinton won or lost. It was that she got 48% in District 6. Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #111

The premise of Ken's attempt at analysis is simply wrong Gothmog Jun 2017 #113

20 points is how bad we lost last fall in that Kansas seat, Ken Burch Jun 2017 #47

And Price won the seat by 23 points mythology Jun 2017 #105

Yes, it is. Which means the progressive candidates were not disasters. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #109

yes we need each other but losing really sucks. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #4

Agreed. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #39

Republicans voted for a Republican in a Republican district. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #5

Republicans voted for a Republican in a Republican district in Kansas and Montana, too. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #67

I agree with your conclusion, but few lessons can really be drawn from special elections. unblock Jun 2017 #6

No, they're 0 and 5-offs hatrack Jun 2017 #19

Even in our absolute best Congressional elections, we lose hundreds of seats. BzaDem Jun 2017 #74

Watch when he gets to 31% Popularity Motownman78 Jun 2017 #80

Same thing can be said about the special elections where pro-Sanders candidates lost to R's Ken Burch Jun 2017 #40

Actually, it's voter suppression, purging, and dirty tricks. ecstatic Jun 2017 #8

Don't think it's that simple. Anyone who cares can find their polling place. And, there is not Hoyt Jun 2017 #22

We're united in seeing the importance of fighting voter suppression. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #71

True, something needs to unite the party mvd Jun 2017 #10

Stop peddling the bullshit, "Jon Ossoff had no excuse for losing". That district has been as still_one Jun 2017 #12

+1 BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #17

That's not really the point. zipplewrath Jun 2017 #18

No I don't think so rockfordfile Jun 2017 #31

Ossoff wasn't liberal for enough for ya huh? That is the Susan Sarandon/Jill Stein still_one Jun 2017 #32

As I said on another thread, Charlie Pierce had the best quote octoberlib Jun 2017 #36

Thanks, Pierce calls it as he see em still_one Jun 2017 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jun 2017 #44

The post where I brought up the greens was not in response to you, but to someone who still_one Jun 2017 #52

Never mind. It looked like you were responding to a post of mine there. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #56

no problem. I also agree with the substance of your OP. United we win, divided we fall still_one Jun 2017 #65

Again, you're missing the point zipplewrath Jun 2017 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jun 2017 #178

Montana and that Kansas district are also "as right-wing as they come". Ken Burch Jun 2017 #45

no they didn't. JI7 Jun 2017 #49

I never said they were a failure. In fact, in regard to the Montana special election I still_one Jun 2017 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #79

Bull shit. blur256 Jun 2017 #16

This result, though, proves centrist candidates have no special electoral magic. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #46

Well, I half agree zipplewrath Jun 2017 #104

Price won there in 2016 by 20 points. geek tragedy Jun 2017 #20

It is HARD to flip DEEP RED districts which is what these are. Period. LBM20 Jun 2017 #95

lol. when it came to sanders candidates losing you excused it by saying we could not win those areas JI7 Jun 2017 #21

No shite. Cha Jun 2017 #131

why do white people who want more liberal candidates vote for republicans ? JI7 Jun 2017 #23

That's not how it works. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #59

democrats win in california with low turnout JI7 Jun 2017 #62

I wasn't saying anything about what minority voters wanted. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #73

his support was largely minority voters JI7 Jun 2017 #75

Then again, he was the only major candidate(at least in the special election) Ken Burch Jun 2017 #78

he was not the only one in the first round , and again you are dismissing voters JI7 Jun 2017 #82

As I understand it, all the other candidates in the first round took about 1% of the vote each. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #85

When he decided not to live in the district Motownman78 Jun 2017 #24

How did they think that wouldn't matter? redstateblues Jun 2017 #34

Excellent point. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #57

People like to be represented by someone who actually lives in their district? rpannier Jun 2017 #60

Get A Freaking Apartment.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #66

Bad take. Clearly you know nothing about this district. It was NOT a swing district. seaglass Jun 2017 #25

The seats where pro-Sanders candidates fell just short(but gained tons of ground)weren't, either. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #43

A 3.7 margin is better than a 6.1 so if you are comparing Ossoff with Quist, yeah Ossoff did better seaglass Jun 2017 #97

as if we had RegexReader Jun 2017 #53

Wrong. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #26

So just cut out half the party and assume Democrats can keep winng? Tiggeroshii Jun 2017 #27

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #91

You are but one constituency among many in the big Democratic tent...and a minority one at that. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #175

It really varies from district to district, state to state. StevieM Jun 2017 #28

Progressives always saying swinging to the left would do the trick creeksneakers2 Jun 2017 #35

This result shows NON-progressive candidates don't seem to have the knack of that, either. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #41

he was more progressive than the nebraska guy JI7 Jun 2017 #48

Are we still on THAT? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #51

i didn't mention all of that crap. my point was that Ossoff was more progressive JI7 Jun 2017 #54

Oh brother. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #93

Jon Ossoff had no excuse for losing? oberliner Jun 2017 #42

Might have helped if he had moved into the district rpannier Jun 2017 #64

Doubtful oberliner Jun 2017 #96

That is probably true rpannier Jun 2017 #100

This was a progressive leaning district? That's news to me. JHan Jun 2017 #61

Everyone here agrees that Voter Suppression and Gerrymandering are facts. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #70

You're still obsessing over who is a centrist and who is not... JHan Jun 2017 #72

I never claimed it was a progressive-leaning district. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #76

The whole premise of your post.. JHan Jun 2017 #77

My post was in reaction to days of threads here Ken Burch Jun 2017 #83

Thank you! That's exactly correct. You've spotted the flaw. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #94

In another thread, someone is Blaming Sanders for the loss because he endorsed Ossoff... Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #68

Before that, they were vilifying Bernie for NOT endorsing Ossoff, Ken Burch Jun 2017 #69

Agreed 100% nt riderinthestorm Jun 2017 #106

The "centrist-left" argument is irrelevant. kentuck Jun 2017 #81

What would you suggest instead? Ken Burch Jun 2017 #89

I'm unwilling to cede the term progressives" to nativist/populists of the left... Expecting Rain Jun 2017 #86

100% agreed OP. Fait Accompli Jun 2017 #87

Had no excuse for losing in a district engineered to be heavily Republican???? pnwmom Jun 2017 #88

Exactly. Thank you. LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #110

It all depends on the circumstances. Willie Pep Jun 2017 #90

Did you know this is a DEEP RED district since 1978 that the R won by 23 points in November? LBM20 Jun 2017 #92

Transparent. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #98

YES INDEED! Duly noted. (Thank you!) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #112

while notably not highlighting how Quist and Mello did. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #117

Thank you for your post! nikibatts Jun 2017 #99

Actually there is an excuse for losing--this is an extremely red district and it was going to book_worm Jun 2017 #102

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2017 #107

Not really since none of Sanders endorsed Dems won. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #114

None of the anti-Sanders Dems beat the 'thug candidates, either. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #115

There was only one...you all had 3 chances. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #123

It doesn't matter how may chances anyone had(y. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #127

It does matter. I am unwilling to allow the party to be run in such a way that will cost us Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #138

"foist your ideology"? Most Dems are to the left of the party leadership Ken Burch Jun 2017 #143

Sorry, I don't think that is true...I have no idea how many Democrats are to the right of say Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #146

How is Mayor Heath Mello, Ken? Doing well in his role? How about Congressman Quist. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #116

In every case, the result was the same-all the Dems lost, progressive or "centrist". Ken Burch Jun 2017 #118

I never bring it up. you do. it's so sad that you don't seem to see it. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #119

My point is we need everybody, and that nobody should be told to shut up or go away. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #120

and yet your threads continue to flame these fires by making this sanders vs clinton La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #121

Correct again. You've totally figured it out! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #124

There's nothing to figure out. I support unity. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #128

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #133

we should hand out awards in passive aggressive smarmy bullshit La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #134

Nothing I post is passive aggressive, smarmy, or bullshit. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #141

Just cos you lack awareness about how you sound La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #142

You keep acting like I'm attacking people Ken Burch Jun 2017 #144

LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #159

1)Actually she does. She accused me of disrespecting HRC supporters-which I've never done. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #160

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #161

NO. I never have. My comment there was a reasonable observation. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #162

Yes you have. Check it out: In post #140 You falsely accused me of... NurseJackie Jun 2017 #163

If you aren't trying to drive me off of the board, why do you keep accusing me Ken Burch Jun 2017 #165

LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #166

You embarrass yourself everytime you do that. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #168

LOL! No I don't. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #169

Amen. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #145

The laughing ones, but basically any emoji when YOU use it. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #140

What a strange accusation! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #147

The people least victimized in society, seem to have the greatest victimhood complex La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #149

Totally true! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #150

None of this is about my identity. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #167

Attention K-Mart Shoppers: The primary is over. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #170

See? You made that false accusation again. Ken Burch Jun 2017 #171

Who said "refighting" ... who used that word? (HINT: It wasn't me.) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #172

When you made the remark about "the primaries are over". Ken Burch Jun 2017 #173

LOL! ... LOL! and LOL! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #174

Kick. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #182

All of it is, such cluelessness only happens to people La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #181

I didn't make it sanders v. clinton Ken Burch Jun 2017 #126

LOL La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #135

Thank you! Glad you're saying this. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #122

Sanders wing? GulfCoast66 Jun 2017 #125

You spotted that too, huh? (Thanks for questioning it.) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #156

There is only one Democratic Party JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #129

Thank-you. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #152

A-fucking-men! NurseJackie Jun 2017 #157

According to DU we don't need dialogue or partnership Nevernose Jun 2017 #130

LOL NurseJackie Jun 2017 #158

That's divisive right there.. because it's not REALITY .. Cha Jun 2017 #132

if this is unity, i wonder what intentionally sowing distrust looks like La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #136

I know, right.. like we wouldn't notice. Cha Jun 2017 #137

Why would someone base the whole premise of an Op ignoring facts? Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #154

There is a very easy for more leftist candidates GulfCoast66 Jun 2017 #139

Sick of Threads like this Orcrist Jun 2017 #148

"The Ossoff campaign had no excuse for losing." False. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #151

Trashed & wrecked, tired of whiny blamers n/t Scoopster Jun 2017 #153

Wrong. If he had gone hard left he would never have gotten so close in that DEEP RED district. LBM20 Jun 2017 #155

Who said the left can't win? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #164

Ossoff lost by only 3.8%. His positions were def left of center. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #176

Not really Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #177