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Flo Mingo

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27. My opinion as someone who's ridden for 25+ yrs.

Fri Jun 23, 2017, 12:41 PM

Jun 2017

As people said, the driver of the car probably did something to endanger the rider. The rider was totally wrong to attempt to retaliate on the driver for his inattention. I was ready to give the driver the benefit of the doubt that his actions may have been triggered by overreacting to the kick but then I watched the video several times on the 42" screen and can see no discernable evidence that the driver turned his head to see what struck the car. Plus, if there was indeed a previous altercation, I'm pretty sure both were aware of where the other was. Harleys are not quiet.

The rider showed amazing skill to avoid both possible collisions, leading me to believe that it is someone with many years of riding experience. Riders I've know with that much experience, although the road rage reaction doesn't excuse it, don't react that way for no reason.

Rider knew he shared some culpability, thus the decision to leave the scene. Again, another bad choice by the rider.

Glad everyone is OK. Hope the rider has to answer for his actions, too.

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Motorcyclist kicks car and triggers chain-reaction crash in apparent road-rage video [View all] demmiblue Jun 2017 OP

I'm a little confused by the video jberryhill Jun 2017 #1

Hard to tell. Could have been a startle reaction looking left to the sound/feel of the kick. mnhtnbb Jun 2017 #3

What is a PIT maneuver? I think it looks as though the driver probably did something to tblue37 Jun 2017 #5

PIT maneuver jberryhill Jun 2017 #7

Thanks. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #8

I don't think a kick would have enough force to do anything unblock Jun 2017 #126

A kick from a rider on a bike can't disrupt a 3000 lb car going 60 down a road LOL snooper2 Jun 2017 #16

Not a lot of lateral force is required jberryhill Jun 2017 #19

I don't think it's an armchair opinion, he said he previously kicked a car door at speed LesterKasai Jun 2017 #21

applying lateral force to a car door won't destabilize the car jberryhill Jun 2017 #24

I agree, I am just saying the poster you are replying to has experience in kicking cars at speed. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #25

Remember newton's laws? LOL Lib Jun 2017 #62

That's a good point. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #88

If the bike (which probably weighs about 600lbs, 650 wet) t-boned the car at the rear axle AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #87

Excellent point. Imagine too LOL Lib Jun 2017 #99

"cyclists leg would have broken before successfully applying enough force" jberryhill Jun 2017 #110

I would consider folding the knee to be breakage. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #115

It obviously didn't cause the loss of control jberryhill Jun 2017 #124

If what you're saying is true, that a kick could destabilize the car at speed... brush Jun 2017 #130

"If what you're saying is true" jberryhill Jun 2017 #131

True that. Best to back off from road raging idiots. brush Jun 2017 #133

Bullshit. There is no excuse for that nonsense. Drahthaardogs Jun 2017 #139

If the driver is smart and/or lawyers up, the kick startled him and caused him to swerve. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #57

His leg doesn't weigh enough for anything like that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #86

Looks like the truck is the real victim here Major Nikon Jun 2017 #2

That is my opinion, as well. n/t demmiblue Jun 2017 #4

That's not a truck, that's an Avalanche. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #89

It's a Cadillac Escalade. Just a run-of-the-mill pickup truck, by CA standards... petronius Jun 2017 #92

That model and the avalanche are the same thing, different badges. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #93

Same thing, my ass. This is California, dude - the badges are petronius Jun 2017 #98

Badges? jberryhill Jun 2017 #137

It's not an avalanche, it's a "Cadillac truck" Major Nikon Jun 2017 #95

The Chevy Avalanche and the Cadillac Escalade EXT are the same vehicle. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #96

I thought we were trying to be specific rather than generic Major Nikon Jun 2017 #100

The fact that the cyclist keeps going, not stopping to render aid, to call for help, or to take tblue37 Jun 2017 #6

He may have believed he was defending his lane position jberryhill Jun 2017 #9

It's hard to tell. Ms. Toad Jun 2017 #97

The motorcyclist, to me, looked like he sped up Ilsa Jun 2017 #105

Not like he had to look at the rear view mirror dalton99a Jun 2017 #10

I love how the wacky shit I see on Instagram ends up here a day later NightWatcher Jun 2017 #11

In my layman's opinion, I think the motorcyclist's kick caused the car to swerve. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #12

I'd love to have enough power in my legs Codeine Jun 2017 #14

The faster a car is moving, the less force is required to make it swerve in a pit maneuver. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #15

ROFLMAO snooper2 Jun 2017 #17

Why did you kick a car door at speed? LesterKasai Jun 2017 #18

Because the fucking asshole cut across two lanes and almost put me into a concrete guard rail at 70 snooper2 Jun 2017 #20

So you acted in a similar fashion as the motorcyclist on the video. Interesting. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #23

In other words, someone may have committed an inadvertent error jberryhill Jun 2017 #26

on purpose or accident, yes misdemeanor property damage seems just snooper2 Jun 2017 #30

It's more than misdemeanor property damage jberryhill Jun 2017 #32

+100 golfguru Jun 2017 #102

More proof most bikers are assholes.. stopbush Jun 2017 #83

Yes, extrapolate 'most' from One. Thanks for that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #91

That kind of escalation is asinine, and leads to things like this. Adrahil Jun 2017 #39

Physics, they still teach that? jberryhill Jun 2017 #22

a 2 ton vehicle vs. 2 ton vehicle is way different than 700lb bike+rider snooper2 Jun 2017 #28

In other words, you have no actual physical calculation to back you up jberryhill Jun 2017 #31

What is the frictional force of the tires against the road surface, snooper2 Jun 2017 #33

I already told you that I don't know whether it is possible to perform from a motorcycle jberryhill Jun 2017 #35

The Mythbusters in me says it probably isn't even plausible snooper2 Jun 2017 #36

Mythbusters does actual calculations, and then performs experiments jberryhill Jun 2017 #38

there are plenty of Youtube vids of guys mitch96 Jun 2017 #109

Force transmits both ways. Equal and opposite. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #90

That ignores a variety of stability considerations jberryhill Jun 2017 #104

Difficult to say. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #113

Well, the dent could also be pre-existing. jberryhill Jun 2017 #132

How much lateral force does a PIT maneuver require? jberryhill Jun 2017 #41

This is correct. LOL Lib Jun 2017 #64

If the driver was going at speed (min 65 MPH) in the HOV lane - a swerve to the right haele Jun 2017 #68

Looks like the car swerved twice and tried to hit the biker. Warpy Jun 2017 #127

Oh please. nt cwydro Jun 2017 #101

Harley (Road Glide) Rider here ... DaleFromWPB Jun 2017 #13

My opinion as someone who's ridden for 25+ yrs. Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #27

"no discernable evidence that the driver turned his head to see what struck the car" jberryhill Jun 2017 #42

Fair enough Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #66

Question for you, though Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #73

On further review.... jberryhill Jun 2017 #78

"the driver of the car probably did something to endanger the rider" jberryhill Jun 2017 #47

Could be Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #71

There's another clue here jberryhill Jun 2017 #59

In California, it may not be so cut and dry. Lane splitting is legal here - at low speed. haele Jun 2017 #65

This is why they call them donorcycles. R B Garr Jun 2017 #67

I agree with much of your post Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #70

25++ rider myself, you escalate you die MiddleClass Jun 2017 #69

OR the car driver was startled and just had a quick defensive reaction. R B Garr Jun 2017 #29

But some people feel that property damage is an appropriate response to unintentional cutoffs. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #34

Yes, looks that way. That was a malicious and thought out maneuver on R B Garr Jun 2017 #37

I would like to know what happened prior to the video. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #40

Hypothetically... jberryhill Jun 2017 #43

Hypothetically... Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #44

One would imagine... jberryhill Jun 2017 #45

I think I read somewhere that it was some form of restricted lane. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #48

Clearly it is jberryhill Jun 2017 #49

The speed with which the car driver responded to the kick... Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #50

Hence my question about the PIT maneuver jberryhill Jun 2017 #55

That is also one hell of a dent in that door. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #63

Indulge me again for a moment. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #52

. jberryhill Jun 2017 #58

So this is the kind of insight that can be gained from actually reading the article... Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #61

the biker flashed that looked like a knife at him. mitch96 Jun 2017 #111

The motorcyclist was originally on the left jberryhill Jun 2017 #125

Is anyone familiar with the lane markings on that road? jberryhill Jun 2017 #46

It's HOV/carpool dalton99a Jun 2017 #51

Yes, looks like they are in a designated lane either of which you R B Garr Jun 2017 #53

And in an area where you aren't supposed to merge in or out of it at all. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #120

That camera appears to be hand held rather than something like a dash mounted GoPro. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #54

Account from the person filming jberryhill Jun 2017 #56

The biker sure hauled ass out of there. Look at him speed off. R B Garr Jun 2017 #60

The driver claims he came back, offered water, and apologized jberryhill Jun 2017 #72

Okay, thanks. From where the video started, it looks like the car was R B Garr Jun 2017 #75

I don't think he's talking about the motorcyclist there: it's the driver petronius Jun 2017 #77

ah, correct jberryhill Jun 2017 #79

An imagined knife??? hunter Jun 2017 #74

It's unclear what led up to this jberryhill Jun 2017 #80

Doesn't matter. hunter Jun 2017 #85

In many states, one or both drivers would have had guns to settle this. Hoyt Jun 2017 #76

Every driver and motorcycle rider should carry a gun. hunter Jun 2017 #81

The NRA President's (3 years ago) son spent 10 years in prison for shooting a motorist in road rage Hoyt Jun 2017 #82

shotgun on a bike would be a bit difficult mitch96 Jun 2017 #112

Yeah, maybe that driver thought the cyclist was R B Garr Jun 2017 #84

He would not have seen that the "thump" came from a leg either jberryhill Jun 2017 #106

When in doubt, power out AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #116

The bike is faster. NutmegYankee Jun 2017 #117

True, but if the contention is he's trying to operate a firearm at the same time.... AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #118

Given that the projectile would be traveling over 18 times faster than the car, it wouldn't matter. NutmegYankee Jun 2017 #119

It's not about outrunning the bullet. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #121

Speeding up and pulling away may present a better target for the biker NutmegYankee Jun 2017 #122

Me? I've got lots of experience getting the hell out of situations. hunter Jun 2017 #138

I think both the driver of the car and the motorcyclist are at fault. janx Jun 2017 #94

The video shows me how vulnerable cyclists are to karadax Jun 2017 #103

two people acting like assholes Skittles Jun 2017 #107

I hope the motorcyclist is caught and charged with leaving the scene of an accident. tenderfoot Jun 2017 #108

Here's an article with a more detailed description from the videographer: petronius Jun 2017 #114

That makes more sense dalton99a Jun 2017 #128

Well, there's also how the motorcycle got there... jberryhill Jun 2017 #136

A-hole motorcyclist should go to jail NobodyHere Jun 2017 #123

So should a-hole driver Warpy Jun 2017 #129

I'll be honest d_r Jun 2017 #134

Two jerks and a fool FreeJoe Jun 2017 #135

This guy just got 15 years for knocking a biker off his ride mitch96 Jun 2017 #140