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82. The NRA President's (3 years ago) son spent 10 years in prison for shooting a motorist in road rage

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Fri Jun 23, 2017, 04:33 PM

Jun 2017

incident. Daddy Gun Nut taught him well and got rewarded by being elected Prez for a year.

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Motorcyclist kicks car and triggers chain-reaction crash in apparent road-rage video [View all] demmiblue Jun 2017 OP

I'm a little confused by the video jberryhill Jun 2017 #1

Hard to tell. Could have been a startle reaction looking left to the sound/feel of the kick. mnhtnbb Jun 2017 #3

What is a PIT maneuver? I think it looks as though the driver probably did something to tblue37 Jun 2017 #5

PIT maneuver jberryhill Jun 2017 #7

Thanks. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #8

I don't think a kick would have enough force to do anything unblock Jun 2017 #126

A kick from a rider on a bike can't disrupt a 3000 lb car going 60 down a road LOL snooper2 Jun 2017 #16

Not a lot of lateral force is required jberryhill Jun 2017 #19

I don't think it's an armchair opinion, he said he previously kicked a car door at speed LesterKasai Jun 2017 #21

applying lateral force to a car door won't destabilize the car jberryhill Jun 2017 #24

I agree, I am just saying the poster you are replying to has experience in kicking cars at speed. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #25

Remember newton's laws? LOL Lib Jun 2017 #62

That's a good point. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #88

If the bike (which probably weighs about 600lbs, 650 wet) t-boned the car at the rear axle AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #87

Excellent point. Imagine too LOL Lib Jun 2017 #99

"cyclists leg would have broken before successfully applying enough force" jberryhill Jun 2017 #110

I would consider folding the knee to be breakage. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #115

It obviously didn't cause the loss of control jberryhill Jun 2017 #124

If what you're saying is true, that a kick could destabilize the car at speed... brush Jun 2017 #130

"If what you're saying is true" jberryhill Jun 2017 #131

True that. Best to back off from road raging idiots. brush Jun 2017 #133

Bullshit. There is no excuse for that nonsense. Drahthaardogs Jun 2017 #139

If the driver is smart and/or lawyers up, the kick startled him and caused him to swerve. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2017 #57

His leg doesn't weigh enough for anything like that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #86

Looks like the truck is the real victim here Major Nikon Jun 2017 #2

That is my opinion, as well. n/t demmiblue Jun 2017 #4

That's not a truck, that's an Avalanche. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #89

It's a Cadillac Escalade. Just a run-of-the-mill pickup truck, by CA standards... petronius Jun 2017 #92

That model and the avalanche are the same thing, different badges. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #93

Same thing, my ass. This is California, dude - the badges are petronius Jun 2017 #98

Badges? jberryhill Jun 2017 #137

It's not an avalanche, it's a "Cadillac truck" Major Nikon Jun 2017 #95

The Chevy Avalanche and the Cadillac Escalade EXT are the same vehicle. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #96

I thought we were trying to be specific rather than generic Major Nikon Jun 2017 #100

The fact that the cyclist keeps going, not stopping to render aid, to call for help, or to take tblue37 Jun 2017 #6

He may have believed he was defending his lane position jberryhill Jun 2017 #9

It's hard to tell. Ms. Toad Jun 2017 #97

The motorcyclist, to me, looked like he sped up Ilsa Jun 2017 #105

Not like he had to look at the rear view mirror dalton99a Jun 2017 #10

I love how the wacky shit I see on Instagram ends up here a day later NightWatcher Jun 2017 #11

In my layman's opinion, I think the motorcyclist's kick caused the car to swerve. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #12

I'd love to have enough power in my legs Codeine Jun 2017 #14

The faster a car is moving, the less force is required to make it swerve in a pit maneuver. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #15

ROFLMAO snooper2 Jun 2017 #17

Why did you kick a car door at speed? LesterKasai Jun 2017 #18

Because the fucking asshole cut across two lanes and almost put me into a concrete guard rail at 70 snooper2 Jun 2017 #20

So you acted in a similar fashion as the motorcyclist on the video. Interesting. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #23

In other words, someone may have committed an inadvertent error jberryhill Jun 2017 #26

on purpose or accident, yes misdemeanor property damage seems just snooper2 Jun 2017 #30

It's more than misdemeanor property damage jberryhill Jun 2017 #32

+100 golfguru Jun 2017 #102

More proof most bikers are assholes.. stopbush Jun 2017 #83

Yes, extrapolate 'most' from One. Thanks for that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #91

That kind of escalation is asinine, and leads to things like this. Adrahil Jun 2017 #39

Physics, they still teach that? jberryhill Jun 2017 #22

a 2 ton vehicle vs. 2 ton vehicle is way different than 700lb bike+rider snooper2 Jun 2017 #28

In other words, you have no actual physical calculation to back you up jberryhill Jun 2017 #31

What is the frictional force of the tires against the road surface, snooper2 Jun 2017 #33

I already told you that I don't know whether it is possible to perform from a motorcycle jberryhill Jun 2017 #35

The Mythbusters in me says it probably isn't even plausible snooper2 Jun 2017 #36

Mythbusters does actual calculations, and then performs experiments jberryhill Jun 2017 #38

there are plenty of Youtube vids of guys mitch96 Jun 2017 #109

Force transmits both ways. Equal and opposite. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #90

That ignores a variety of stability considerations jberryhill Jun 2017 #104

Difficult to say. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #113

Well, the dent could also be pre-existing. jberryhill Jun 2017 #132

How much lateral force does a PIT maneuver require? jberryhill Jun 2017 #41

This is correct. LOL Lib Jun 2017 #64

If the driver was going at speed (min 65 MPH) in the HOV lane - a swerve to the right haele Jun 2017 #68

Looks like the car swerved twice and tried to hit the biker. Warpy Jun 2017 #127

Oh please. nt cwydro Jun 2017 #101

Harley (Road Glide) Rider here ... DaleFromWPB Jun 2017 #13

My opinion as someone who's ridden for 25+ yrs. Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #27

"no discernable evidence that the driver turned his head to see what struck the car" jberryhill Jun 2017 #42

Fair enough Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #66

Question for you, though Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #73

On further review.... jberryhill Jun 2017 #78

"the driver of the car probably did something to endanger the rider" jberryhill Jun 2017 #47

Could be Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #71

There's another clue here jberryhill Jun 2017 #59

In California, it may not be so cut and dry. Lane splitting is legal here - at low speed. haele Jun 2017 #65

This is why they call them donorcycles. R B Garr Jun 2017 #67

I agree with much of your post Flo Mingo Jun 2017 #70

25++ rider myself, you escalate you die MiddleClass Jun 2017 #69

OR the car driver was startled and just had a quick defensive reaction. R B Garr Jun 2017 #29

But some people feel that property damage is an appropriate response to unintentional cutoffs. LesterKasai Jun 2017 #34

Yes, looks that way. That was a malicious and thought out maneuver on R B Garr Jun 2017 #37

I would like to know what happened prior to the video. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #40

Hypothetically... jberryhill Jun 2017 #43

Hypothetically... Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #44

One would imagine... jberryhill Jun 2017 #45

I think I read somewhere that it was some form of restricted lane. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #48

Clearly it is jberryhill Jun 2017 #49

The speed with which the car driver responded to the kick... Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #50

Hence my question about the PIT maneuver jberryhill Jun 2017 #55

That is also one hell of a dent in that door. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #63

Indulge me again for a moment. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #52

. jberryhill Jun 2017 #58

So this is the kind of insight that can be gained from actually reading the article... Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #61

the biker flashed that looked like a knife at him. mitch96 Jun 2017 #111

The motorcyclist was originally on the left jberryhill Jun 2017 #125

Is anyone familiar with the lane markings on that road? jberryhill Jun 2017 #46

It's HOV/carpool dalton99a Jun 2017 #51

Yes, looks like they are in a designated lane either of which you R B Garr Jun 2017 #53

And in an area where you aren't supposed to merge in or out of it at all. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #120

That camera appears to be hand held rather than something like a dash mounted GoPro. Adsos Letter Jun 2017 #54

Account from the person filming jberryhill Jun 2017 #56

The biker sure hauled ass out of there. Look at him speed off. R B Garr Jun 2017 #60

The driver claims he came back, offered water, and apologized jberryhill Jun 2017 #72

Okay, thanks. From where the video started, it looks like the car was R B Garr Jun 2017 #75

I don't think he's talking about the motorcyclist there: it's the driver petronius Jun 2017 #77

ah, correct jberryhill Jun 2017 #79

An imagined knife??? hunter Jun 2017 #74

It's unclear what led up to this jberryhill Jun 2017 #80

Doesn't matter. hunter Jun 2017 #85

In many states, one or both drivers would have had guns to settle this. Hoyt Jun 2017 #76

Every driver and motorcycle rider should carry a gun. hunter Jun 2017 #81

The NRA President's (3 years ago) son spent 10 years in prison for shooting a motorist in road rage Hoyt Jun 2017 #82

shotgun on a bike would be a bit difficult mitch96 Jun 2017 #112

Yeah, maybe that driver thought the cyclist was R B Garr Jun 2017 #84

He would not have seen that the "thump" came from a leg either jberryhill Jun 2017 #106

When in doubt, power out AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #116

The bike is faster. NutmegYankee Jun 2017 #117

True, but if the contention is he's trying to operate a firearm at the same time.... AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #118

Given that the projectile would be traveling over 18 times faster than the car, it wouldn't matter. NutmegYankee Jun 2017 #119

It's not about outrunning the bullet. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #121

Speeding up and pulling away may present a better target for the biker NutmegYankee Jun 2017 #122

Me? I've got lots of experience getting the hell out of situations. hunter Jun 2017 #138

I think both the driver of the car and the motorcyclist are at fault. janx Jun 2017 #94

The video shows me how vulnerable cyclists are to karadax Jun 2017 #103

two people acting like assholes Skittles Jun 2017 #107

I hope the motorcyclist is caught and charged with leaving the scene of an accident. tenderfoot Jun 2017 #108

Here's an article with a more detailed description from the videographer: petronius Jun 2017 #114

That makes more sense dalton99a Jun 2017 #128

Well, there's also how the motorcycle got there... jberryhill Jun 2017 #136

A-hole motorcyclist should go to jail NobodyHere Jun 2017 #123

So should a-hole driver Warpy Jun 2017 #129

I'll be honest d_r Jun 2017 #134

Two jerks and a fool FreeJoe Jun 2017 #135

This guy just got 15 years for knocking a biker off his ride mitch96 Jun 2017 #140