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athena

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202. You have not responded to some excellent points DUers made.

Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:38 AM

Jun 2017

A broad accusation of "hatred and anger" against those who object to your characterization of deeply hateful and angry people as "good, kind, and gentle" proves nothing but your inability to acknowledge a flaw in your argument.

If you are an honest person, respond to the following question that was asked repeatedly of you: are these "good, kind, and gentle" Trump supporters also "good, kind, and gentle" to Black people and Hispanic immigrants? Are they? If so, why were they not turned off by the racism of Trump's campaign? If not, please explain why it is OK to call racists "good, kind, and gentle", while accusing those who object to racism of harboring "hate and anger".

Those who are filled with hatred and anger are not the ones who are objecting to your posts. They are the very people you are defending.

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I know some very good, kind and gentle Trump supporters. [View all] PurgedVoter Jun 2017 OP

They voted for a man who said "you can grab them by the pussy" ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #1

Yes, they did. PurgedVoter Jun 2017 #4

The hardcore Trump supporters I know are assholes. Really. ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #22

Yeah, me too. mountain grammy Jun 2017 #53

Me too, but they're nice to those they see as their own. Hortensis Jun 2017 #169

Honestly, I think it's impossible for a left wing version of what's wrong with the right. mountain grammy Jun 2017 #172

We're very different, and in my sincere opinion after Hortensis Jun 2017 #219

I don't think we're so different. mountain grammy Jun 2017 #251

Well, I agree w you too. Finally, the left is fighting back, Alice11111 Jun 2017 #257

I agree. We would still probably be out of step w other Alice11111 Jun 2017 #256

do you think this bdamomma Jun 2017 #250

blah blah blah -- quit excusing their bigotry obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #23

+1 narnian60 Jun 2017 #209

+10,000 atreides1 Jun 2017 #227

+1000. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #231

They are asleep...every second of every day. pangaia Jun 2017 #30

You say they are caring and kind and help people... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #32

Exactly. athena Jun 2017 #107

I know people of color who voted for him. cwydro Jun 2017 #121

ITA brer cat Jun 2017 #128

Thank you, brer cat. athena Jun 2017 #134

If they call clear videotape "a liberal media lie," then you consort with beyond-stupid creatures. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #200

Yes. Evil. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #235

Completely squashing the argument "that was locker room talk" rock Jun 2017 #241

Is anyone good, kind and gentle 100% of the tim marylandblue Jun 2017 #5

They didn't vote FOR him because he said that, they voted for him IN SPITE of his saying that trentwestcott Jun 2017 #156

Dream on. Our style of government is not made to handle the kind of extremists that catbyte Jun 2017 #208

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #218

add to that mnmoderatedem Jun 2017 #167

I begged my mother, in Texas, not to vote for him after that. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #258

Fox brainwashing Dem2 Jun 2017 #2

Excellent idea! n/t femmedem Jun 2017 #38

Are these the kind of people who watched the debates? leftstreet Jun 2017 #3

For the ones.I know, yes they saw all that marylandblue Jun 2017 #7

Are they telling you now they made a mistake? leftstreet Jun 2017 #12

I view bigotry as largely unconscious marylandblue Jun 2017 #42

It's amazing that all this targeting seems not to affect black women La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #6

This is a fundamental truth that needs to be confronted. yardwork Jun 2017 #8

+ a zillion . Someone telling me it was men who liked voting for trump . I mention the low lunasun Jun 2017 #18

yup. it always comes down to that but people still want JI7 Jun 2017 #19

And apparently tazkcmo Jun 2017 #34

Yeah, aren't we something? Ligyron Jun 2017 #68

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #70

+1000 gollygee Jun 2017 #46

Remember the song from "South Pacific"... luvtheGWN Jun 2017 #102

The song is bullshit. Mariana Jun 2017 #267

Nothing odd about that at all Egnever Jun 2017 #120

I think their "kind and gentle" nice is the biblical equivalent of praying on the street corners. hunter Jun 2017 #125

I Know Plenty of Them and They Are Perfectly Fine With Trump as Long as They can Get Their Tax Cuts Stallion Jun 2017 #9

Sorry, but no..... Laurian Jun 2017 #10

Yes I Tell Them Voting for Trump Goes on Their "Permanent Record" Stallion Jun 2017 #13

I agree! And when they and everyone they love lose their programs... bresue Jun 2017 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author sharedvalues Jun 2017 #11

who tells them they have to listen to Fox Fucking News? Skittles Jun 2017 #71

Have you told them to wake the f up yet? Quanta Jun 2017 #14

Sheep and dogs are nice too...but do we let them go off the cliff!!! bresue Jun 2017 #16

Tell the for me, in the nicest possible way, to go rzemanfl Jun 2017 #17

Kind and gentle but sorta fucked up huh? Oh well not everyone thinks for themselves but cool story lunasun Jun 2017 #20

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2017 #78

So true. I tried to warn them, but they were on some sort of high from the daring of this man. The Wielding Truth Jun 2017 #95

Sorry, they are not kind and gentle and good obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #21

Let me be kind malaise Jun 2017 #24

I am fucking SICK of hearing excuses for Trump supporters Skittles Jun 2017 #72

For reals let me puke with you in unison lunasun Jun 2017 #81

Same here malaise Jun 2017 #165

I wouldn't let kids near them! bettyellen Jun 2017 #25

I wouldn't let them dog sit. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #26

I tell them what I believe PurgedVoter Jun 2017 #27

There can be no forgiveness for them. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #36

I have neighbors like that, kind, always willing to help someone, and far from wealthy! However, napi21 Jun 2017 #28

That sounds terribly familiar. pangaia Jun 2017 #88

AND they don't care! They live their own life. Might extend it to their neighborhood, but that's napi21 Jun 2017 #146

I remember watching mobster movies when I was young Patterson Jun 2017 #29

Same with the Nazis that ran concentration camps. Laffy Kat Jun 2017 #116

I know of one decent Trump supporter and I think she's disconnected from the news. Drunken Irishman Jun 2017 #31

A lot of normally nice people can be stirred up to do bad things, like vote for Trump. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #33

More about fear... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #45

A lot of good Germans went outside and watched thier neighbors or storekeepers be removed to lunasun Jun 2017 #87

WOW. Awwwsome OP. furtheradu Jun 2017 #35

Trump gave ample examples that he is an asshole and a hater SHRED Jun 2017 #37

That is called the banality of evil. ananda Jun 2017 #39

people who are good, kind and gentle do NOT support misogynist, racist ASSHOLES Skittles Jun 2017 #40

They do if they are gullible and scared. n/t janx Jun 2017 #43

NO THEY DON'T Skittles Jun 2017 #48

They can if they're brainwashed by fear mongering. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #54

I absolutely disagree Skittles Jun 2017 #66

Those people support him too, but there's still some people who were gullible enough... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #75

there is no excuse Skittles Jun 2017 #79

Oh, but it makes them feel good about themselves! Lol. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #84

And again, let's go back to Lioness's question: how come people of color are largely immune to Squinch Jun 2017 #69

you echo my sentiment above Skittles Jun 2017 #74

Have you ever met a black person who thinks that ALL cops are bad? Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #76

How does that answer the question? Squinch Jun 2017 #93

I think some of them are brainwashed too, but I'll give another example. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #103

"I think some of them are brainwashed too." I lulzed. Squinch Jun 2017 #109

What's the question exactly? Brainwashing in general? That was answered. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #115

If you are someone who falls for the Trump(R), Breitbart, Fox news fearmongering, Squinch Jun 2017 #234

True, but... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #237

This BEGAN with the demonization of others. No one went to Fox and Breitbart Squinch Jun 2017 #253

If that's the case, there's better outlets than FOX News for that. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #254

But the more extreme sites don't allow them to pretend they are not terrible. Squinch Jun 2017 #255

I agree with that. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #259

you get it, squinch Skittles Jun 2017 #261

That was a lot more intense than just the media treestar Jun 2017 #206

Good point. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #211

Are you kidding here? Policing as an institution in the United States has been shown, time and Coventina Jun 2017 #239

I'm mostly saddened when it reaches the level of thinking each indivudual cop... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #240

The fearmongering is intended to frighten white people marylandblue Jun 2017 #77

OK. Well, I am a white woman. Why is the fear mongering not working on me? Why did it not Squinch Jun 2017 #86

Exactly! It's propaganda but you need a willing subject to listen lunasun Jun 2017 #150

Also, much of the brainwashing is wrapped in patriotism. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #82

It's not brainwashing. It's confirmation of bias. They were bigoted to begin with. This just Squinch Jun 2017 #90

That's probably true in most cases! Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #98

best reply in the whole thread. good grok. n/t reflection Jun 2017 #236

give me a minute here. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #139

Yes you do! Squinch Jun 2017 #166

You must be kidding. It works on all groups. Just depends on what the fear is 7962 Jun 2017 #226

You misunderstand my point, which is this: why is this particular Squinch Jun 2017 #233

Don't people have some responsibility treestar Jun 2017 #205

Yes, they're responsible. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #210

Scared of what Mexicans , Muslims and BLM ? lunasun Jun 2017 #89

Yes... if they're stupid enough to watch FOX News and swallow all of it. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #110

Scared of what? 6000eliot Jun 2017 #135

Sorry, but no. kcr Jun 2017 #184

Thank you!!! Coventina Jun 2017 #238

PurgedVoter: SCantiGOP Jun 2017 #41

AGREE with WHAT? That "kind and good" people allied themselves with "LOCK HER UP!"? With the Billy WinkyDink Jun 2017 #201

Thanks, please put me on your Ignore list SCantiGOP Jun 2017 #213

The only good, kind and gentle Trump supporters I know: lambchopp59 Jun 2017 #44

Their actions are hurting my family. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #47

"The first thing we need to fix is the lying, evil conservative media." moonscape Jun 2017 #49

I live in a rural area in the Deep South Mr. Ected Jun 2017 #50

I'm so very sorry - sincerely. I grew up in moonscape Jun 2017 #159

I'm with you there, but fortunate in one respect. Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #195

They are fooling you JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #51

Yep. dalton99a Jun 2017 #111

Really? - let's review: UTUSN Jun 2017 #52

I also know a few people who voted for him. oftheforest Jun 2017 #55

Brainwashed is right. Some of them really believe that the Clintons murdered people too. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #61

they had another choice if they hated Hillary Skittles Jun 2017 #73

I think he's a disgusting piece of shit too. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #119

the only way I can envision falling for it Skittles Jun 2017 #220

That's surely true compared to those people. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #221

If a person subscribes to the drumpf doctrine they are hardly very good, democratisphere Jun 2017 #56

You obviously dont know them as well AuntPatsy Jun 2017 #57

It takes all kinds, to each his own MiddleClass Jun 2017 #58

Democratic principles are just opinions??! Duppers Jun 2017 #152

The normal people. They are principles MiddleClass Jun 2017 #243

"OPINION"? You think this new Republican "health-care" (tax) bill is just an "OPINION"?? You think WinkyDink Jun 2017 #203

Absolutely not, the healthcare tax cut for rich bill is abhorrent, robotic Bullshit MiddleClass Jun 2017 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author c-rational Jun 2017 #59

Yes, we are living in bizarro world, where people are admiring the emperor's new clothes... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #60

Excellent, observant, succinct MiddleClass Jun 2017 #246

I don't. yewberry Jun 2017 #62

If you buy evil with your vote, blood doesn't wash off your hands for some random act of kindness. hay rick Jun 2017 #63

I know a lot of people who voted for Trump. They are neither good, nor kind, nor gentle. Squinch Jun 2017 #64

Your absolutely fucking right njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #65

Some very good, kind and gentle people voted Pablo Escobar into the Chamber of Reps of Colombia Snake Plissken Jun 2017 #67

a good new acronym that I got from this thread BamaRefugee Jun 2017 #80

How would you pronounce it ? I'm thinking Poe-whips , powwp? I like it too for in public lunasun Jun 2017 #97

maybe I'll pronounce it "POLYPS", pretty much sums them up!!!! ;-) BamaRefugee Jun 2017 #126

I would describe any tRump supporters using those words elmac Jun 2017 #83

If my crazy aunt poisons my kids, it doesn't matter how nice and gentle she is, my kids are still LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #85

Good-Luck to a middle-class, tRump supporting family ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #91

Are they good, kind, and gentle to people of color, too? athena Jun 2017 #92

Good point. Heck, Hitler was very kind and gentle to children dalton99a Jun 2017 #123

Then how do you explain the biggest Trumpster I know is black? MiddleClass Jun 2017 #252

The existence of ONE Black Trump supporter does not disprove that Trump supporters are racist. athena Jun 2017 #264

Nope, the most racist people I know are black. Making assumptions about all whites MiddleClass Jun 2017 #265

Purged Voter - Thank You! summer_in_TX Jun 2017 #94

Yes!! Well said njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #104

They heard what they wanted to hear from the media. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #142

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #96

that you could vote for trump tells us all we need to know about your character. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #101

Maybe they might be so called good and gentle Doreen Jun 2017 #99

Oh, many did choose to educate themselves. summer_in_TX Jun 2017 #124

In 2020 election, only 1 thing will matter golfguru Jun 2017 #100

At some point... some age... people have to take responsibility for their crap beliefs. deurbano Jun 2017 #105

Excellent post, and very well-said ... LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #122

+1 dalton99a Jun 2017 #197

I'll believe everything up to the point of "quite intelligent" Duppers Jun 2017 #106

Good, kind, and gentle people don't vote for evil monsters like Trump. 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #108

Democracy only works with a free and independent press oxbow Jun 2017 #112

as far as I know, I don't. Those I do know live in fear and are brainwashed followers NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #113

Ummmm...OP fake news/alt facts. malchickiwick Jun 2017 #114

I don't think you really know who they are. madaboutharry Jun 2017 #117

Trolls engaged in Democratic destruction. democratisphere Jun 2017 #118

Great another one of these be nice standingtall Jun 2017 #127

There were kind and gentle Hilter supporters too. Historic NY Jun 2017 #129

Oh good fucking god! leftofcool Jun 2017 #130

Nah. nt Maven Jun 2017 #131

Nope. Scratch deep enough and you'll find crap. davsand Jun 2017 #132

Since you are honest, I will try not to yell DonCoquixote Jun 2017 #133

Hillary would have been worse??? SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN 100000% BETTER !!! trueblue2007 Jun 2017 #136

If they are for the health plan as it seems to be shaking out, they don't sound compassionate. Hoyt Jun 2017 #137

It is possible to be very good,kind and gentle and have supported tRump njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #138

Hannity is still pushing the Seth Rich murder conspiracy. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #149

I know some women as described by the OP, but not men Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #140

So what? they're brainwashed by EVIL.. that makes Cha Jun 2017 #141

Right on. Kath2 Jun 2017 #153

I know, Kath.. give me a break! Cha Jun 2017 #160

Simply limiting our anger to republican standingtall Jun 2017 #143

Sorry, but I don't believe that anyone who voted for someone who mocks the disabled is "kind and lunamagica Jun 2017 #144

Someone who was told crooked Hillary was behind several murders njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #147

Kind and gentle my ass. F**k 'em. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2017 #145

Damn straight.. Cha Jun 2017 #168

+Infinity. The adults deserve a retribution that is Biblical in KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #174

Good Germans. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #148

Helps to be grounded. fleabiscuit Jun 2017 #151

"Grab them by the pussy?" Kath2 Jun 2017 #154

Tell me, would any of these "very good, kind and gentle Trump supporters" Duppers Jun 2017 #155

OK, I am going to pull one sentence from your post. susanna Jun 2017 #157

That's the million dollar question. njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #162

Cult of Bigots. moondust Jun 2017 #158

There are TWO bubbles on display here: Ron Green Jun 2017 #161

I think you are very wise ,my friend njhoneybadger Jun 2017 #163

The responses to this are interesting and I think some are frightening. PurgedVoter Jun 2017 #164

I think that the words Brainwashed and Cult are key here. mackdaddy Jun 2017 #170

Oh please. The people you are calling "kind" and "good" wouldn't lose KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #176

A good number of communists wouldn't lose sleep over doing the same either, so meh. Marengo Jun 2017 #242

Um, Communists didnt start concentration camps. Communists KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #262

Sure, Kolyma and Vorkuta were recreation facilities, and the Laogai was just one big happy fun.. Marengo Jun 2017 #263

Nice reply. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #179

You have not responded to some excellent points DUers made. athena Jun 2017 #202

Good people do not fuck over their fellow human beings. milestogo Jun 2017 #171

They're "good Germans." - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #175

No, you don't. They've conned you. - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #173

What's truly frightening is that your collaborationist screed has received 39 KingCharlemagne Jun 2017 #177

Ok. I live in the south. I am Lilly white. drray23 Jun 2017 #178

+1 dalton99a Jun 2017 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #194

Individuals such as Rupert Murdock should be investigated, as well as the small number of kingpins RKP5637 Jun 2017 #180

Yes, to a large extent anyway. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #182

These 15 Billionaires Own America's News Media Companies RKP5637 Jun 2017 #183

It's dangerous! They're not accountable to the public through elections, yet... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #186

We have free speech, but little protection against contrived free speech to influence RKP5637 Jun 2017 #189

The Telecommunications Act of 1996 also made it easier... Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #190

And, they become more powerful and more powerful. Today, most citizens are a bunch of clucks being RKP5637 Jun 2017 #191

Fuck them. Fuck every single one of them. Fuck them. Orrex Jun 2017 #181

Perhaps focusing our energies towards individual voters, Vilis Veritas Jun 2017 #185

I know a bank where the wild thyme blows, betsuni Jun 2017 #187

Bwahaha! The Bard would approve! WinkyDink Jun 2017 #199

I wish... Locrian Jun 2017 #188

How nice for you. I know none. MineralMan Jun 2017 #192

You may see them as kind and gentle Bettie Jun 2017 #196

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." WinkyDink Jun 2017 #198

They are willing to help people they know treestar Jun 2017 #204

My neighbor is one of those CozyMystery Jun 2017 #212

Interesting how in 8 years treestar Jun 2017 #223

Nope, he hates Obama. CozyMystery Jun 2017 #224

It's a kind of tribalism, I think. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #207

I had a white "deplorable" coworker who was addicted to FOX. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #215

Trump supporters are not just standingtall Jun 2017 #214

A lot of the voters for Trump I talked to only voted against Hillary, they believe the things said Wiseman32218 Jun 2017 #216

Bwahahahahahaaaaa ....yes, only kind and gentle people support these trump quotes spanone Jun 2017 #217

Trump is trying to take health care away from the sick, the poor, the disabled, and the elderly. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #222

The pussy grabbing story was not a secret. How on earth could anyone "good" vote for that???? Vinca Jun 2017 #225

Absolutely, and he committed dozens of similar deal-breaker lapses like that Orrex Jun 2017 #228

Yeah I thought he was done for good treestar Jun 2017 #230

If there was an internet in 1933 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #229

if you voted for a racist pig you are a racist pig . stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #232

It is far more insidious than mere media BS BSdetect Jun 2017 #245

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhh . . . HughBeaumont Jun 2017 #247

Apparently, I have no understanding of the words good, kind, and gentle. Solly Mack Jun 2017 #248

You wouldn't believe how many Nazi's loved their children, also. louis c Jun 2017 #249

These "good, kind and gentle" folks are NOT good, kind and gentle. VOX Jun 2017 #260

I'm not sure I agree MountCleaners Jun 2017 #266