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Anyone who says $250,000/year isn't a lot of money is either stupid or they think we are [View all] NNN0LHI Jul 2012 OP

Amen.... vi5 Jul 2012 #1

Hell, one poster even included 2k/month in savings and called it an "expense". Bonobo Jul 2012 #2

And here is the other thing about the discussion.... vi5 Jul 2012 #4

when the 'little people' bitch about not being able to live on $12K or whatever, they're told to HiPointDem Jul 2012 #103

lol -- indeed fishwax Jul 2012 #144

yeh, but that fremont zip doesn't carry the same cache as that noes valley zip code.. frylock Jul 2012 #114

The money you save by not commuting, cleaner air, socialized medicine, public transit might make Noe diane in sf Jul 2012 #130

I have always considered savings as an expense, i.e. not optional. badtoworse Jul 2012 #12

The monthly food bill is an expense, savings is a luxury some can not afford. 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #18

My wife and I have always used payroll deductions for savings badtoworse Jul 2012 #44

You have not been poor. Or had an expensive chronic health problem. Or had kids with problems... riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #47

What would you do if you if your boss cut you back by 3 hours per week? badtoworse Jul 2012 #51

But you'd expect someone to save "something" on $8.25/hr? JBoy Jul 2012 #57

You can't save ANYTHING on $8.25/hour riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #68

toilet paper tampons xmas74 Jul 2012 #75

And gawd forbid its a heavy flow month. riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #141

Never stolen from public places xmas74 Jul 2012 #148

I've swiped toilet paper AND brown rest room paper towels AND light bulbs--oh, yeah! MADem Jul 2012 #152

grotesque is right justabob Jul 2012 #82

when you are living off of $350 take home pay every 2 weeks RedRocco Jul 2012 #97

Wow - that's amazing. xxqqqzme Jul 2012 #107

uugh lunasun Jul 2012 #111

As I posted below, anyone who can save $2000 a month is saving more Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #87

Must be nice not to need every fricking penny simply to survive with an incredibly kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #101

That post was ridiculous mathematic Jul 2012 #58

Hey why don't you respond to the post in that thread taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #112

Why? Because I knew I'd get some BS response like this mathematic Jul 2012 #113

They are able to save more than the median US family total income gollygee Jul 2012 #122

The 401k contribution is 2k...which adds up to 24k/yr taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #124

The issue is that if you can afford to save more money than most people make gollygee Jul 2012 #126

Agreed. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #3

It's a terrific amount of money... trumad Jul 2012 #5

I understand. But it is a bad compromise. Bonobo Jul 2012 #6

"Let the Bush tax cuts expire completely" handmade34 Jul 2012 #8

I agree. If we're going to raise taxes, it should be across the board. badtoworse Jul 2012 #19

it is NOT raising taxes handmade34 Jul 2012 #21

If my tax bill goes up, the government has raised my taxes. badtoworse Jul 2012 #26

let's say... handmade34 Jul 2012 #36

Since you're looking at it from a marketing standpoint,... badtoworse Jul 2012 #52

It is a tax increas any way you look at it...n/t Meg_Griffin_1 Jul 2012 #77

propaganda of the right n't grasswire Jul 2012 #92

no handmade34 Jul 2012 #120

The tax is not on the whole amount of taxable income. LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #38

That irrelevant in my book badtoworse Jul 2012 #45

ok handmade34 Jul 2012 #53

This isn't a philosophical argument-- it's a mathematical one. Marr Jul 2012 #73

Yeah, right. Make it even HARDER for the poor to even survive. Because, you know, kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #102

I'm cool with that... trumad Jul 2012 #10

Absolutely! $100,000 and less. I've been saying that all along. RC Jul 2012 #20

very important... handmade34 Jul 2012 #23

Just to clarify.... >$250k also get a cut jeff47 Jul 2012 #35

For many people in this country, isn't that about six yrs of income? SammyWinstonJack Jul 2012 #7

I could live eight years on it. caseymoz Jul 2012 #16

$250,000 barely covers my shoe upkeep. onehandle Jul 2012 #9

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #62

ftw frylock Jul 2012 #115

A lot of people like that say that because they Lucky Luciano Jul 2012 #11

Oh course we feel poor compared to that.... daleanime Jul 2012 #46

Not me. Hypothetical scenario above. nt Lucky Luciano Jul 2012 #61

And we're talking about a top marginal increase of less than 5% Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #138

I was talking about why some $250k people say Lucky Luciano Jul 2012 #142

Where does Schumer Fall? NCTraveler Jul 2012 #13

Given that he wants to enact a 30% Exit tax on people renouncing American citizenship, and ieoeja Jul 2012 #118

It's a nice salary and even in places like northern NJ, you'll be very comfortable. badtoworse Jul 2012 #14

Total and absolute bollocks... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #79

As a self-employed person, I sometimes have months where my WHOLE INCOME Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #85

No kidding.... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #95

STOP. SUPPORTING. THE. 1%. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #106

People that earn that much usually also live in high-priced cities. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #15

And most of the people who live in those high-priced cities make less than $250K 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #22

I never stated that was the norm, I am not the confused one here. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #40

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #63

A truly Progressive income tax wouldn't even start until 50K. TrollBuster9090 Jul 2012 #29

Again, we're talking about raising their taxes very marginally (if at all) Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #139

agreed. barbtries Jul 2012 #17

$250 000 is, what, SIX TIMES the median U.S. salary? It's a lot of money. And furthermore... TrollBuster9090 Jul 2012 #24

My peak earning was around $100,000/AN in the late 90s. trof Jul 2012 #25

I think we're both in rare agreement here. I can only assume people who are... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #27

and the media is the main culprit for trying to perpetuate that lie /nt still_one Jul 2012 #28

It's All Relative Iggy Jul 2012 #30

And the ones I know would steal the penny's off their own deceased mothers eyes NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #32

The Mentally Ill/Sociopaths Need Iggy Jul 2012 #34

The pennies too. deaniac21 Jul 2012 #119

I could retire on $250K, forever, and live well. DCKit Jul 2012 #31

Whose bullshit? elias7 Jul 2012 #42

You went out of your way to attack what I said. DCKit Jul 2012 #50

Post at my peril? So ominous... elias7 Jul 2012 #100

That's 6.25 times more than what I make yearly. Javaman Jul 2012 #33

2 years in a row I made $100,000 a year before taxes NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #37

Well first, they're paying $67,000 in taxes. How much are you paying? elias7 Jul 2012 #39

They were paying the exact same amount into FICA as I was NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #41

FICA caps at 7.65% of earnings up to $106,800 elias7 Jul 2012 #98

Retired in 2003 and made it to the cap twice during my entire working life before that NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #110

I've made it to the cap the last 5 years elias7 Jul 2012 #140

they're paying fica at a lower rate than i am, because they only pay it on the first $106K. why HiPointDem Jul 2012 #105

Well, it's ProSense Jul 2012 #43

It's pitiful, really, to make that much AND whine about it. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #48

when you know people and know they still have nothing thenyou change your mind Johonny Jul 2012 #49

I Have Lived in Manhattan, NYC for 16 Years Yavin4 Jul 2012 #60

but you're not trying to live the American dream Johonny Jul 2012 #80

That's why it's called a "dream". You act like it's a right to live beyond "the means the average Romulox Jul 2012 #86

You really don't appreciate it Johonny Jul 2012 #109

Sorry, nope. It's no more tragic for a former high earner to be poor than anyone else. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #121

I agree Johonny Jul 2012 #125

People who are unable to think for themselves deserve a double helping of scorn. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #133

Hell yeah! I could point you to arguments I've had on DU about that very subject Orrex Jul 2012 #54

Sigh--I think we need to be careful here Cary Jul 2012 #55

unnnn, conservatives understand 250k is a lot of dough yearly even in areas that are expensive... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #65

You miss the points about relativity and the deeper points with respect to their messaging Cary Jul 2012 #71

There is hand wringing about someone making over a quarter million a year TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #72

This is an interesting problem with respect to perception Cary Jul 2012 #74

Bravo! Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2012 #78

I doubt any of us disagree with anything there Cary Jul 2012 #83

$250,000 Is MORE than Enough to Live in the Most Expensive Areas of The USA Yavin4 Jul 2012 #56

No, it's middle class, totally !!!! steve2470 Jul 2012 #59

+1! ...I lived in LA, My wife and I SWORE to live under our means and we were able to do it because uponit7771 Jul 2012 #66

That's awesome, truly. steve2470 Jul 2012 #67

Oh, come on people!!! Don't you know all that "bad economy" stuff is for "the little people"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #64

$250,000+ as a salary and as 1099 private business income should be treated differently. EpsilonZer0 Jul 2012 #69

Your friend needs a better accountant. PETRUS Jul 2012 #90

I'm thinking it's somewhat difficult laundry_queen Jul 2012 #135

Salary vs. Income zipplewrath Jul 2012 #70

The DUer who once told me I was "a bigot against the rich" (sic!) will be along shortly... Romulox Jul 2012 #76

Sounds like most here want an income cap B2G Jul 2012 #81

We have excessive concentration of wealth Cary Jul 2012 #88

So you are for income caps? B2G Jul 2012 #89

I find it odd that you would extrapolate this so aggressively Cary Jul 2012 #91

I have no issue with progressive taxation B2G Jul 2012 #93

I think there is an extreme of the sort you describe Cary Jul 2012 #99

We don't want income caps. We just want income over a certain high amount to be taxed kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #108

I guess I misinterpreted the 'fuck them' in the OP B2G Jul 2012 #116

clearly.. frylock Jul 2012 #117

Thanks for chiming in, because it's so hard for the super-wealthy to make their voices heard. Orrex Jul 2012 #96

More often than not, we hear only what we wish to hear... LanternWaste Jul 2012 #104

Is that how you read this thread? It only looks to me like people think that folks who make that muc gollygee Jul 2012 #123

Thanks to Cheap Labor Conservatism B Calm Jul 2012 #147

Years ago the NY Times carried one of their typical out-of-touch articles about a Manhattan family Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #84

It is a crock of shit, but we should also DonCoquixote Jul 2012 #94

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #127

250k actually is not that high samsingh Jul 2012 #128

Do you think eliminating the FICA cap would be the fair thing to do? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2012 #143

And again, we're talking about a pretty marginal increase Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #149

We should all live on crusts and wear sackcloth. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #131

You are falling into the right wing trap of equating income with wealth. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #132

If it isn't a lot of money to someone, they made some interesting life decisions. David__77 Jul 2012 #134

250k a year is more than my entire family for two generations makes... joshcryer Jul 2012 #136

Additionally, we're talking about a pretty marginal increase Hippo_Tron Jul 2012 #137

For the crowd that wants to drink a 300 dollar bottle of wine, aka Paul Ryan, it probably is chump midnight Jul 2012 #145

I have to work 4.5 years to make that much, B Calm Jul 2012 #146

yeah arely staircase Jul 2012 #150

Gee, I could "survive" on half that....and live like a freaking KING!!!! MADem Jul 2012 #151