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diva77

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62. Thank you for taking action! The difference btw stuffing ballot box v machines
Sun Jun 25, 2017, 06:46 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Sun Jun 25, 2017, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)

is like the difference between retail and wholesale --
stuffing ballot boxes cannot be accomplished in every precinct with no witnesses as easily as shaving votes can be done in every precinct silently with malicious code where the process is un-observable.

With public oversight, cameras, strict chain of custody, results posted at precinct before ballots leave polling place, etc., ballot box security can be dramatically improved.

With voting machines - including DREs, optical scanners, central tabulators the malicious code can enter the system numerous ways and elections officials have been trained to make recounts impossible

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Coinkydink stinks Hekate Jun 2017 #1
All part of the Plan OhNo-Really Jun 2017 #30
Link here - elehhhhna Jun 2017 #37
Well Trump would say there should be a second amendment remedy. Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #56
I've always thought this was suspicious as hell. octoberlib Jun 2017 #2
We need to repeat, over and over: "ALL elections must be with paper ballots and MUST be audited" JoeOtterbein Jun 2017 #3
Yes. sharedvalues Jun 2017 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #16
just count them by hand/eye the FIRST time around. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #19
I, for one, miss Chad.... Fla_Democrat Jun 2017 #80
I hear he's just been hanging. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #120
And it's very suspicious that republicans are so dead-set against it. gtar100 Jun 2017 #28
Add in purple thumbprints... 3catwoman3 Jun 2017 #46
I second that iluvtennis Jun 2017 #89
They'll just hack the central tabulators where it gets aggregated IronLionZion Jun 2017 #104
I remember a time when we did spreadsheets by hand. We can do it again. JoeOtterbein Jun 2017 #116
Because ballot stuffing, vote buying, disenfranchisement, threats, etc have never swayed a paper AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #119
Exactly loyalsister Jun 2017 #128
well, if you're concerned about that amount of tampering, then certainly you will be even more TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #135
Electronic voting can be made secure. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #136
No, you're not sounding old. You're sounding intelligent. planetc Jun 2017 #122
Agree...and you're not "sounding old' whathehell Jun 2017 #127
Statistically Impossible! Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #4
Really? Show the math. Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #5
OK; an overstatement, but the odds are extremely low that 5 States Chasstev365 Jun 2017 #9
I'm just a stickler for math. Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #22
Really? The odds are low that 5 swing states Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #91
I suppose we COULD actually calculate it Nevernose Jun 2017 #51
Have to add in somehow that Hillary won the closest state Yupster Jun 2017 #75
Historically, betting markets have been insanely accurate predictors. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #132
Old intelligence rule of thumb: once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, 3 times is enemy action. Fozzledick Jun 2017 #6
Auditing rule: There isn't ever just one cockroach. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #25
Oh I just love that phrase! Pacifist Patriot Jun 2017 #40
+1 n/t jaysunb Jun 2017 #82
+1 dalton99a Jun 2017 #87
Defies logic Stinky The Clown Jun 2017 #7
That much coincidence takes planning. NightWatcher Jun 2017 #8
Suppression. Comey said no votes were altered sharedvalues Jun 2017 #10
Seems no one IS focusing on illegal/illegitimate election. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2017 #12
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. the machines are hackable, end of story. they need t TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #21
Paper ballots are hackable. The Electorate is hackable. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #137
No evidence of ISN'T no votes altered. YUGE distinction, votes altered leaves no evidence. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #26
There is evidence for suppression sharedvalues Jun 2017 #76
election was hacked. stolen. period. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #13
Yes, and thank you for stating that. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #124
It is either fear of the unknown, or inability to "go there" - it is a crime of inconceivable NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #129
Yep. That's it. You're right. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #130
Wrong and wrong. BzaDem Jun 2017 #14
machine "recounts" are meaningless, and hacking could easily be targeted to the paperless precincts, TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #23
That's a lot of factually false statements for such a short post. BzaDem Jun 2017 #48
OK. Lets go over it again. Wisconsin went Trump by .8% (post #48) rgbecker Jun 2017 #57
The odds that supposed vote riggers limiting their rigging to 17% of counties that only decided BzaDem Jun 2017 #58
Never disturb a good discussion with facts! TomVilmer Jun 2017 #96
actually, a smart hacker would deliberately target precincts unlikely or unable to be recounted. so TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #133
Where the fuck are all these magical super-beard technowizard hackers? AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #138
#1. a recount never would have happened if Stein hadn't raised $millions in days, so i would say TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #134
I believe that it is very likely that the election was basically invalid. nt ladjf Jun 2017 #15
There needs to be Election 2016 forensics....NOW ! nt suston96 Jun 2017 #17
For election 2016 Control-Z Jun 2017 #71
Nov 9th? suston96 Jun 2017 #81
Says a lot about the Russians. I think. The Wielding Truth Jun 2017 #18
ACTION ALERT!! to protest highest level elections officials for nontransparent elections diva77 Jun 2017 #20
Amazing! stephensolomita Jun 2017 #33
Thank you for taking action! The difference btw stuffing ballot box v machines diva77 Jun 2017 #62
You're right, of course stephensolomita Jun 2017 #92
Only 40,000 votes switched and the Electoral college result is switched. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #24
would appreciate a more detailed explanation for my edification - thanks diva77 Jun 2017 #79
40,000 VOTERS. That's the difference between Trump and Clinton winning the electoral college. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #84
Thank you for this. Truth will out. nt LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #27
Suspicious as hell! 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #29
Pure coincidence. Seriously, I thought by last summer they were gonna hack it. It wasn't the Comey Amaryllis Jun 2017 #31
They stole it n/t malaise Jun 2017 #32
with expert help from 400-lb guys dalton99a Jun 2017 #86
That seems statistically unlikely bitterross Jun 2017 #34
Some details from a Washington Post story from Nov 11. Jim__ Jun 2017 #35
Most of the early evening Clinton was ahead in just about every swing state, some comfortably.... George II Jun 2017 #36
I knew -- pretty much knew anyway -- she had lost when the Kentucky votes came it early. Hoyt Jun 2017 #60
Have you read "Shattered"? Yupster Jun 2017 #77
I knew it was over by 9 PM Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #90
Sounds like you were getting about the same info that the campaign was getting Yupster Jun 2017 #100
Trump told you the election was to use his word, "RIGGED" bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #38
And as Trump has shown time and time again... kyburbonkid Jun 2017 #41
Is it possible he said that to throw us off? Pretty good tactic for a moron. flibbitygiblets Jun 2017 #49
No doubt our govt is illegitimate. broadcaster90210 Jun 2017 #39
Strange Visits Too SayItLoud Jun 2017 #42
Well, now. Isn't that interesting? But what good does it do us? What DO we do when ... Honeycombe8 Jun 2017 #43
There was an interesting article in the Palmer Report about it last November mnhtnbb Jun 2017 #44
"Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin.". That's not true. PoliticAverse Jun 2017 #45
Actually Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin were all less than 1%. Jim__ Jun 2017 #47
If I recall correctly, in each state the difference was smaller than the rzemanfl Jun 2017 #53
No doubt in my mind kyburbonkid Jun 2017 #50
I have said repeatedly, the math does not add up. I am a math person...it just doesn't add up. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #52
Did I miss a link to this news? FailureToCommunicate Jun 2017 #54
Suppose there was a way of stealing elections where the "signature" was an upset by a thin margin. Girard442 Jun 2017 #55
More Palmer Report junk. Hoyt Jun 2017 #59
Not to the Hillary campaign Yupster Jun 2017 #78
Florida 1.8%, Ohio was polled at 1% difference in early November (Trump won by 8%) mythology Jun 2017 #61
+1. You can't fight these beliefs with facts. Oh well. We can gripe about the 2016 election while we Hoyt Jun 2017 #68
Trump was the underdog in all 4 swing states standingtall Jun 2017 #63
By that logic, why bother stealing all four? onenote Jun 2017 #108
If they were going to steal everything they could steal standingtall Jun 2017 #109
So why bother with Wisconsin onenote Jun 2017 #110
Because they didn't not know how many faithless electors or standingtall Jun 2017 #112
Then why not add the four from New Hampshire or the ten from Minnesota? onenote Jun 2017 #114
Minnesota was not a swing state I don't care what the final margin was in that state on election standingtall Jun 2017 #115
yes, I seen that on Twitter...MikeFarb1 is doing research with other data collectors.... bresue Jun 2017 #64
Coincidences, especially that exact.... prairierose Jun 2017 #65
It wasn't that exact. LisaL Jun 2017 #73
And the margin varied in the swing states onenote Jun 2017 #93
Not NH Dem2 Jun 2017 #66
Sounds rational to me. Hoyt Jun 2017 #69
I'm shocked!!!!! blueinredohio Jun 2017 #67
I cilla4progress Jun 2017 #70
Imagine tiptonic Jun 2017 #72
Wow! Good work. Alice11111 Jun 2017 #74
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark! RestoreAmerica2020 Jun 2017 #83
I'm of the belief........ SergeStorms Jun 2017 #85
I vaguely remember some mention joet67 Jun 2017 #88
Very fishy, in fact it stinks. downeastdaniel Jun 2017 #94
Yes I am becoming more and more convinced jimlup Jun 2017 #95
yep cubbies01 Jun 2017 #101
That's what I've been saying all along. I will NEVER believe that 45* won MI. catbyte Jun 2017 #97
This percentage being so uniform definitely seems to indicate some sort of hack. Mrs. Overall Jun 2017 #98
Except, as has been stated here several times, the percentages weren't uniform onenote Jun 2017 #105
Thanks for the clarification. That's what I get for quickly skimming responses. : ) Mrs. Overall Jun 2017 #106
My two cents cubbies01 Jun 2017 #99
Nothing To See Here colsohlibgal Jun 2017 #102
The Elephant in the Room sagesnow Jun 2017 #103
The Detroit Free Press called Michigan for Hillary around 11PM adigal Jun 2017 #107
It's about election fraud and much more. annielion Jun 2017 #111
It's been happening in Wisconsin since the first Walker election. usaf-vet Jun 2017 #113
This thread is the DU version of Infowars hueymahl Jun 2017 #117
I think you're spouting conspiracy theories without evidence. brooklynite Jun 2017 #118
I'm shocked that the party insider doesn't want to rock the boat DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #121
I see..."Party Insiders" are hiding the fact that elections are being stolen from THEM. brooklynite Jun 2017 #125
I'm not a party insider. I don't think the machines are anywhere near our main problem. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #139
K&R... spanone Jun 2017 #123
I found a Steve Schale election night tweet that I referred to earlier in the thread Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #126
Let me guess! HenryWallace Jun 2017 #131
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