What happens when evidence proves this election was illegit?

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11. If Russia was the decider, Dems could demand that Republicans and Pence

set things right.

There is at least mechanism: Pence becomes President, names Clinton as vp and then Pence resigns. In other words a political deal is possible.

There has to be a will and a backbone on the part of Dems to de-legitimize the Trump/Pence power play and to oppose Republican Party benefiting from Russia's involvement.

Some will cry that the Republicans will never allow it. Depends on how deeply they have been involved.
what they will allow should not be a decided for what we demand.

One major problem is that many Democrats in Congress do not want to acknowledge that Russian interference changed the outcome. They want to see the issue as "we would have won if we had an economic message that appealed to white males. If they frame a problem narrowly, they think they can solve it - there's a fool's gold factor here.

This is a deep-seated problem in the Democratic Party. There is a strong wing in the party (composed of both centrists and "progressive-liberals&quot that is male-focused, and political-game focused. They see the gradual browning of Democratic Party as serving to drive out white males from the party and they see a need to focus on stemming that loss. The are not racist or sexist-just a tad tribal and comfortable with a small vision of America which has worked for them.

They also see the politics as a sport-sometimes you win, sometimes you lose-sometimes you are are defense, sometimes offense. They do not like to acknowledge the possibility of massive cheating. They see Republicans as having gotten to gerrymander districts in 2010 after the pushback from passing the Affordable Care Act. They hope to do be able to do the same in 2020 by taking back the house. (As far as they are concerned it is how you play the game).

They don't want to be seen as whiners. They want to take responsibility for losing because it gives them a sense of control over the problem. If they just change the coach, or their strategy, or bring in new players-heck they are going to win next time.

They know about voter suppression but have just figured they have to factor that in and aim to win by comfortable margins rather that fight voter suppression.

Actually they have been fighting against acknowledging massive election cheating since 2000.

They are not seeing the big picture. The rest of us are more concerned with justice, whether democracy will survive or morph into empire, whether our equality will be diminished, whether our rights will be eroded. One reason is that we are all closer to the edge than they are.

For many Democrats in office we are the people they would like to help--whenever possible, but not at the risk of losing a different, more traditional and more mythical constituency.

(I am reminded that in 1960 the Democratic message was "a rising tide lifts all boats"--it never became a solution because so many of us did not buy into that relativity argument that some people get a dollar, some a dime and some a penny and we surely will all be pleased-Not)

The fight for justice is going to be up to us. It is best to refuse to be silenced by those democrat who are quick to inform us that we cannot have justice because our constitution does not have a mechanism for achieving it.

Let's risk the fight for justice rather than settle for smallness. Let's be dreamers and demanders. Our lives and the lives of our children are at stake.