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DefenseLawyer

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156. The purpose of the question

Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:50 PM

Jun 2017

was not to be cute or to make some silly supposition that a black person doesn't know any white people or vice-versa. It's really more about the poor part than the white part anyway. But what I would ask, since you are friends with and interact with poor white people, are they all bigots? Are they all hardcore Trump supporters? That may certainly be your experience. And, if they are not, why do you assume that most poor white, other than the ones you know, are hardcore racists that will only vote Republican? I am not in ANY way trying to suggest that racism doesn't exist or it's no big deal or that as people or a party we would coddle racists to get votes. I just think it's wrong to start from the position that poor whites are a "lost cause"; that they are a monolithic, red hat wearing band of white supremacists. Statistically, most poor people don't vote at all. I think there are plenty of poor people that we can reach and we don't have to resort to fear and race baiting and nonsense to do it.
And since you asked, yes, "some of my best friends are black" including the best man at my wedding. And I have lots of discussions about race with my friends. Again, I am not some pollyanna. I fight racist cops every day.

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Rant: "People who work for a living; people who take a shower after work"...WTF is that? [View all] riversedge Jun 2017 OP

I take my daily shower in the morning, not after work. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2017 #1

I know, you are supposed to take a shower in the morning... snooper2 Jun 2017 #6

? You go to bed clean in clean sheets and do nothing but sleep. You wake up clean... Hekate Jun 2017 #111

Yes! I shower at night sometimes because I am so not a morning person smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #126

I could never sleep if I didn't shower or take a bath at night... Lucinda Jun 2017 #161

I have long hair.... usedtobedemgurl Jun 2017 #128

It is about the kind of job you do...it is about middle class people who work in hot sweaty Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #16

Which mythologizes factory workers and ignores the service and retail workers who are really hurting bettyellen Jun 2017 #68

The job are being eliminated for many different groups and it needs to stop. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #71

I'll never understand why so many liberals hated Obama's auto bailout bettyellen Jun 2017 #73

It literally saved my ass...my hubs worked for GM Lordstown. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #87

Having lived thru the Obama years at DU, I think it was because ... Hekate Jun 2017 #112

The same people are asking Dems to kiss WWC ass by soft pedaling support for women and POC but no bettyellen Jun 2017 #117

I thought the auto bailout was brilliant on all scores. Saved an industry, a lot of jobs... Hekate Jun 2017 #119

Yeah. I thought anyone who argued against it was knee jerk anti corporate- and forgot auto workers bettyellen Jun 2017 #122

No it did not get paid back. former9thward Jun 2017 #154

I was grateful for it and I don't work for GM. Ilsa Jun 2017 #129

Service and retail jobs in general suck in terms of money and benefits...and they are disappearing Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #88

But it's a huge sector that surged after factories disappeared.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #89

As a business person Chuuku Davis Jun 2017 #134

As did the factory- but somehow that rust belt man gets ALL the attention- why? bettyellen Jun 2017 #136

I had to take 2 showers yesterday....the humidity was 85% DK504 Jun 2017 #36

Same, two showers a day in the summer. sarcasmo Jun 2017 #76

It depends on the type of work you do - farmers needs showers AFTER work csziggy Jun 2017 #103

In the summer I might take two to three showers a day madokie Jun 2017 #148

This is a sanitized way to dog whistle to white working class bigots EffieBlack Jun 2017 #2

You know I am a liberal Democrat, and I resent your post. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #20

That post wasn't directed at your son or people like him. It was directed at pnwmom Jun 2017 #44

People herendon't think that way. But here the best jobs are factory jobs. And Ryan Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #47

The problem is those factory jobs, for the most part, aren't coming back. kcr Jun 2017 #50

Then this country is finished...and so are the Dems in the rust belt. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #69

We won't do it until we stop treating the country like a business. haele Jun 2017 #81

I agree with you completely. And Tim Ryan is afraid of losing in 18. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #86

Beautiful. Thank you! EffieBlack Jun 2017 #91

Do you recognize that money currently has no borders? Moostache Jun 2017 #82

I understand the game but other countries are navigating the issues without destroying their Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #85

Gotta break it to ya, there will never be government support with the GOP, only lip service. tonyt53 Jun 2017 #110

Of course I am aware of that. I always vote Democratic, but others won't Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #125

Any politician who is serious about jobs will be trying to increase spending for green energy jobs, pnwmom Jun 2017 #67

Why are you offended? EffieBlack Jun 2017 #90

Oh great melman Jun 2017 #123

Clearly, this is exactly what Ryan is saying. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #30

"White working class" is not always synonymous with bigots whathehell Jun 2017 #60

I didn't say it was. EffieBlack Jun 2017 #92

I know you didn't. whathehell Jun 2017 #121

Also a dog-whistle against educated professionals DBoon Jun 2017 #63

Bull crap, I worked in a steel mill for forty years and I worked doc03 Jun 2017 #105

Defensive much? EffieBlack Jun 2017 #106

That's why we keep losing elections. The Democratic party shoved the doc03 Jun 2017 #108

You apparently are having trouble with basic reading comprehension, so I'll repeat it again EffieBlack Jun 2017 #115

I am sure you have the best of intentions DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #120

It's impossible to discuss the issue of racism without saying bigots exist- yet people ask us to, bettyellen Jun 2017 #130

You don't see a difference between saying bigots exist DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #133

Yes, and I'm not seeing anyone say they are ALL bigots. that's bullshit. bettyellen Jun 2017 #135

You have every right to feel superior to anyone you want DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #142

I don't feel superior or angry, don't give a fuck if bigots know I dislike their bigotry! Why cower bettyellen Jun 2017 #144

The 1st mistake is to assume that all poor white people are bigots DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #145

Again. No one is saying that except for YOU. That's YOUR mistake. bettyellen Jun 2017 #146

No one is saying that? DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #149

You're doing everything you can to circle the wagon around bigots- why exactly? bettyellen Jun 2017 #150

No I'm really not. DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #151

You're advocating ignoring the "cultural anxiety" as an issue so as not to offend who? bettyellen Jun 2017 #152

I never said a damn thing about "cultural anxiety" DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #153

It's also difficult to discuss racism when people who say they're not bigots are so eager to play EffieBlack Jun 2017 #139

They're literally trying to make it impossible to discuss bigotry- and considering the huge role bettyellen Jun 2017 #140

Do you actually know any poor white people? DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #143

Yes, I do. EffieBlack Jun 2017 #155

The purpose of the question DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #156

You need to stop with the bullshit allegation you keep making against me if you want to engage in EffieBlack Jun 2017 #157

That is the entire basis of the position DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author EffieBlack Jun 2017 #141

I agree (nt) XRubicon Jun 2017 #132

It's patronizing. kcr Jun 2017 #3

His seat is endangered. I don't think it is really is ...but he does. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #22

And the teachers, nurses and clerks will lose their jobs if the factories go down...so you know that Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #23

Will it help them when Dems lose because of his bullshit? kcr Jun 2017 #26

Hey, I called his office and complained twice now. And will call again Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #34

No one is throwing your son under the bus by calling out Tim Ryan kcr Jun 2017 #41

No he needs to be called out for it...I merely gave my opinion of why he is doing it...and i think Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #48

But Ryan is the one who is doing that. kcr Jun 2017 #52

My son who knows Ryan does not see it this way...you see this way...and why is that? Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #75

Your son isn't his part of his target audience EffieBlack Jun 2017 #93

Republican congressmen shower after "work...." pokerfan Jun 2017 #100

Exactly ! patronizing phony pandering. Everyone working is equal and contributing lunasun Jun 2017 #113

This is a rehash of Ed Schultz's schtick EffieBlack Jun 2017 #4

He was talking about people who did physical labor.. whathehell Jun 2017 #77

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #5

Have you never worked a job where you came home so dirty and sweaty that you had to take a shower? DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #7

Apparently that is offensive! lol nt m-lekktor Jun 2017 #9

Yes, but why this divisive talk when Democrats need to get together? yardwork Jun 2017 #11

I just don't see it as divisive DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #15

But that's the opposite of the message he's sending. yardwork Jun 2017 #65

It's another form of "identity politics" EffieBlack Jun 2017 #94

I don't think the "versus" is a necessary component DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #116

And that is indicative of precisely what? LanternWaste Jun 2017 #18

Those are the people who have already felt the impact of automation mythology Jun 2017 #32

It is not just automation...jobs that still exist have been shipped overseas Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #49

Most times, yes. Even working office jobs, which is what this BS "shower" metric is belittling. haele Jun 2017 #31

You read all that into a politician using shorthand for blue collar workers? DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #40

Here's the problem with "shorthand for blue collar". It's the definition of "blue collar". haele Jun 2017 #58

My daughter in law and son worked at GM...she is a woman. GM hires many women. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #51

I'm retired Navy and worked shipyards; been the only woman in my workplaces most of my life. haele Jun 2017 #61

Unfortunately jobs are disappearing everywhere ...all fields. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #74

He is belittling college educated urban liberal professionals DBoon Jun 2017 #64

Why don't they understand. These people just need a reason to take a shower again! kcr Jun 2017 #38

So now we mock blue collar workers here? DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #43

It wasn't the blue collar workers I was mocking n/t kcr Jun 2017 #45

Apparently your sophisticated wit was lost on me. n/t DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #46

+1000. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #56

Try three times a day roscoeroscoe Jun 2017 #55

I come in from work, work all evening then take a shower before bed. ileus Jun 2017 #8

the attack on Pelosi originated on the right bigtree Jun 2017 #10

That's exactly what's going on. yardwork Jun 2017 #13

+1 dalton99a Jun 2017 #19

Huh. Stupid thing to say ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #12

He is talking about factories...where it is dirty and hot... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #14

Retired now... quickesst Jun 2017 #17

White men. That is what he means. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #21

What did Mrs. Clinton mean in 2008? DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #28

She meant white people too. Not sure what your point is. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #29

+1000. stonecutter357 Jun 2017 #57

No, he's not talking about white middle class men like himself. n/t whathehell Jun 2017 #79

funny though, GOP voters are wealthier than D voters. DJT specifically had the wealthiest of voters La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #80

I worked in a steel mill with a lot of black men, you saying they don't doc03 Jun 2017 #107

She won't answer that. romanic Jun 2017 #159

I'm really starting to dislike him. Vinca Jun 2017 #24

I'm already past that point. I very much dislike him. smirkymonkey Jun 2017 #127

A variation on "people who work hard and play by the rules" loyalsister Jun 2017 #25

Amen JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #35

Bootstraps! leftstreet Jun 2017 #70

I smell his white male privilege coming thru my screen. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #27

Ryan wasn't clever enough not to be so very obvious to us. This is the man that Pelosi pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #33

tim ryan needs to look in the mirror. Cha Jun 2017 #37

I thought that name was familiar. kcr Jun 2017 #42

Lordy, I used to take a whore's bath midday in the courthouse Persisted Jun 2017 #95

Yeah, I'm a Cha Jun 2017 #96

I am lucky enough to have an outside shower which I use from March until November. Persisted Jun 2017 #97

My son has an outside Cha Jun 2017 #99

East Coast outside shower in March is... bracing. Persisted Jun 2017 #101

HE'S the guy who doesn't shower after work.... spanone Jun 2017 #39

I live alone and I tend to shower before work for the sake of others. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2017 #53

My opinion is that the Republican brand is the toxic one Zing Zing Zingbah Jun 2017 #54

My opinion is Ryan's turning toxic in his desire for Pelosi's job. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #104

I work at a manufacturing facility. tammywammy Jun 2017 #59

Tin Ryan is not a Progressive. He is the bluest of Blue Dogs. Right up there with Manchin. LuvLoogie Jun 2017 #62

He's a conservadem for sure. I have no clue some DU'ers can't see thru him. emulatorloo Jun 2017 #84

Isn't he the one who said blueinredohio Jun 2017 #66

I felt like taking a shower after listening to that. dawg Jun 2017 #72

My dad showered before and after work - Construction Foreman Lebam in LA Jun 2017 #78

If I worked in Congress I couldn't take enough showers to milestogo Jun 2017 #83

Somebody who believes "his" brand is toxic needs to find himself another brand. UTUSN Jun 2017 #98

I guess you don't know this but if you work in a factory, steel mill, coal mine, doc03 Jun 2017 #102

I've always found that a weird litmus test. Insulting, too. High humidity... Hekate Jun 2017 #109

He needs to be primaried nini Jun 2017 #114

On the other hand, Coastal Elites take long, leisurely baths ... betsuni Jun 2017 #118

Bingo Hekate Jun 2017 #124

they play condescending "free jazz " too... deliberately to make you feel bad about yourself. JHan Jun 2017 #138

LOL! betsuni Jun 2017 #147

During nt Flaleftist Jun 2017 #160

I'm eco friendly retrowire Jun 2017 #131

If ya ain't stinkin' ya ain't thinkin'! :D Adrahil Jun 2017 #137