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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders extremely disappointed by stalling of Californias single-payer health care bill [View all]
sheshe2
(97,507 posts)114. They are already coming for Medicaid at a rapid pace with their bill.
SS and Medicare do work, yet that is going next. Perhaps before we put all our energy in single payer with 3 GOP branches of Government filled with insane and illogical people that are hell bent on killing a minimum of 23 million people and one hell of a lot more if the other two go as well. Could we just sit down and take this into proper perspective? We need to preform immediate triage on three life saving programs for Americans. You don't leave a body dyeing on a stretcher to go off and plan for the next step and leave them to die, drowning in their own blood. Fix them first and only then do we move on.
You do not say to a dying America, we will go work on that solution for ya, may take a few years but we will give you something bigger and better...we will be back for ya.
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Bernie Sanders extremely disappointed by stalling of Californias single-payer health care bill [View all]
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
OP
I agree with you, but the higher taxes needed for single payer especially at the state
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#65
That is actually the reason he put it on hold until we know what happens in congress
still_one
Jun 2017
#32
Yes, there were sensible and logical reasons why proceeding would have been a mistake. But...
George II
Jun 2017
#108
California has 40 million residents. That's a lot to cover with no federal help.
demosincebirth
Jun 2017
#153
California isn't it's own country. a lot of California money goes to support the entire nation
JI7
Jun 2017
#206
Especially since they were proposing to transfer Medicare and Medicaid to help fund it.
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#185
If you're talking about Saskatchewan, at the time it was passed they were covering only....
George II
Jun 2017
#118
And didn't go federal until all the provinces did so independently - which took from '47 to '61..
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#186
Exactly. If it isn't done right it will give republicans more ammunition for why it won't work.
George II
Jun 2017
#111
Not that many - the vast majority have multi-payer systems to achieve universal health care
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#182
"Which one of his legislative accomplishments are you the most proud of?" You were recently asked
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#57
I have plenty to say on that, if its fucking relevant. What is relevant is that Single Payer is the
JCanete
Jun 2017
#86
This is a discussion board. No matter how much profanity you use, you don't get to dictate what
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#105
it's not germane to a discussion of whether or not we should have single payer. Its harping on how
JCanete
Jun 2017
#107
So, aftet all, you didn't have "plenty to say" about his legislative accomplishments
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#115
address what I've said, which actually applies to the OP, and I'll address your BS
JCanete
Jun 2017
#117
No, you said you have plenty to say. When I asked you to proceed, all you give did was
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#124
even in my original post I was clear that I wasn't going to get off topic and go into it, because,
JCanete
Jun 2017
#126
lol, OK you win. The question is relevant because Sanders is an expert in pointing fingers and
lunamagica
Jun 2017
#143
yes, and thank you. I promise to respond to this when I have the energy. Just got off work. nt
JCanete
Jun 2017
#150
Please point to the "disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks" in this
emulatorloo
Jun 2017
#109
That says don't BASH Democratic public figures, not don't criticize Democratic public figures.
George II
Jun 2017
#158
I think it is more that Democrats are going to stand up and speak out against his insults
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#165
What action can Bernie take in California? He won't even talk about Vermont's failed attempt. (nt)
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#195
Maybe you should go read the rules where it is clearly spelled out that attacking Sanders is not ok
Kentonio
Jun 2017
#207
Sanders says he is not a liberal. Progressive, yes. But, not a liberal, or Democrat.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#209
Explain to me please, how Sanders is allowed to attack the Democratic Party and
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#212
Promoting "both parties are the same" is a lie. Why wouldn't I challenge a lie? Eom
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#215
It is his words. He has been saying it for decades. I listen to what a person says.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#217
No, stating both parties are the same simply is not factual, nor condusive for the good of the whole
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#219
Sanders words said repeatedly. Please, do not call me a liar when the facts prove otherwise. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#221
The facts speak for themselves. It is out there. Others will interpret as they will. Eom
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#223
Yes, and I'll make sure that people who try and present only a small part of the picture
Kentonio
Jun 2017
#224
The same he is demanding every Democrat, and then bashing when not done to his satisfaction.
pirateshipdude
Jun 2017
#44
He could talk about lessons learned from Vermont's failure, instead of getting irritated at
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#196
No, but he should start small and local and try to get it passed in his OWN state....
George II
Jun 2017
#120
Removing the criminal health insurance bloodsuckers would save $500 billion/year...
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#29
Well, all it takes is the will of the people to put in statespersons to...
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#37
Even worse are hospitals, drug companies, etc. Single payer countries say No to suppliers
Hoyt
Jun 2017
#42
What the GOPers are doing now is rationing. If you want an affordable system, it is
Hoyt
Jun 2017
#100
Pigs will fly first....doctors spend tons of money in order to become doctors...it is a 10-12 year
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#66
THIS +oo !!!! How in the hell do people NOT understand this along with hospital groups and pharma!?
YCHDT
Jun 2017
#174
The best idea would be some sort of payroll healthcare contribution tax...like Social Security and..
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#30
And what mechanism would you use to force people to join? What about Medicaid?
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#67
These countries are not even close to our country in ideology or population.
Demsrule86
Jun 2017
#68
We should have passed it. We should all be pissed that it didn't. Why aren't you? nt
JCanete
Jun 2017
#87
We have a long history of things just getting tabled and the focus moving on to other things.
JCanete
Jun 2017
#93
So has Feinstein. This is a fucking problem. I don't know why people think everything is fine
JCanete
Jun 2017
#116
That is a good thing. Most other developed nations have multi-payer universal health care
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#201
No, but I recognize the futility of beating people up when they're unable to implement it...
brooklynite
Jun 2017
#90
Well, polling has shown shifts in support of ACA, but no appreciable shift in Single Payer...;
brooklynite
Jun 2017
#97
"Overall, 33% of the public now favors such a single payer approach to health insurance"
George II
Jun 2017
#137
Here is something else you missed in the article excerpt I posted in my post:
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#141
But that is irrelevant to the discussion - that's not "single payer", I'm surprised it's not higher.
George II
Jun 2017
#142
It's not the only way to universal health care - most other countries have multi-payer.
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#202
I don't know how many times I've pointed that out over the months. He can't get it done...
George II
Jun 2017
#138
You're correct. It's an ineffective strategy that leaves himself open to ridicule and mocking...
NurseJackie
Jun 2017
#171
You know, Senator Sanders - the most popular Senator and one of a very few...
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#103
do you know whether or not he did? From a brief search, it looks like he put in some effort.
JCanete
Jun 2017
#122
If he was familiar with why it stalled perhaps he wouldn't be as "extremely disappointed"?
George II
Jun 2017
#123
I read an opinion this morning that some horse-trading went on because of the new gas tax
Starry Messenger
Jun 2017
#127
that's confident. We have a lot of disfunctional shit in this state, even though our Democrats
JCanete
Jun 2017
#151
Interesting..."Present what he's accomplished vs California Democrats side-by-side."
Trial_By_Fire
Jun 2017
#147
Asking him to talk about what happened in Vermont in order to learn from it is "shooting" him?
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#204
Yeah, suddenly the expert on California, but gets defensive when asked about his home state.
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#179
And actually answers questions that indicate that he actually learns from history
ehrnst
Jun 2017
#176
The worst thing that can happen is you don't have all your ducks lined up so to speak
still_one
Jun 2017
#205